Re: Correction for KJV module in 2 Corinthians 1:8

Thanks Michael for that (although I haven't heard of the Beaver 
Scriptures and my search engines gave no help).

Even here in New Zealand where we're still (sort of) under the King, no 
one here would consider not using the KJV, and we most certainly 
wouldn't be anticipating a court case if we used it in an app.

I'm sure there's many silent listeners/readers/list-lurkers here like me 
who would find 1/ some of the views on copyright expressed earlier on 
the list very one-sided and out of character for an org like CrossWire, 
and 2/ find the secrecy even more out of character, and 3/ finding the 
UK-centric character of some of the discussion quite out of character 
for an org with so many international resources (and even for me in a 
British CommonWealth country it seems strangely narrow).

Can the source text at least be passed to someone outside of the UK to 
place onto GitHub? I'll volunteer (or I'm sure many others would also).

Let's get the Bible out to more people, and with more accuracy and more 
linked resources.

Blessings,
Robert Hunt
Freely-Given.org

On 17/01/23 10:01, Michael Johnson wrote:
> On 1/16/23 06:23, David Haslam wrote:
>>
>> And yes - it remains the case that the text of the KJV is protected 
>> by Royal Letters Patent within the United Kingdom, and that in 
>> principle, this copyright assertion should be upheld by 
>> subsequent mutual treaties in those nations that were signatories of 
>> the Berne Convention.
>
> A minor correction with major implications: The KJV and Book of Common 
> Prayer Letters Patent are NOT a copyright with respect to the Berne 
> Convention. Those have no legal effect outside of the UK. Full stop. 
> BS/BFBS opinions notwithstanding. The latter organization, and 
> especially certain persons within them, have already proven that it is 
> willing to stretch copyright law to the extent of committing 
> copyfraud, so I don't trust their opinions. Case in point: the Beaver 
> Scriptures. One could also argue that King James said nothing about 
> digital copies, but only printing, which is not necessarily a lame 
> point. All REAL copyrights expire. The term may exceed a lifetime, but 
> they do expire.
>
> In the unlikely event that I wanted to print KJV Bibles and import 
> them into England or Wales, or if I wanted to print them within those 
> countries, I would care about the very old Letters Patent about that. 
> In no other case do they affect me or my Bible distribution decisions. 
> There is no evidence of anyone trying to enforce those Letters Patent 
> outside of England and Wales, except perhaps in other parts of the UK, 
> let alone succeeding. I have, however, had a two Bible Societies 
> challenge some texts I have online. In one case, I produced written 
> permission to share the text. In the other, I produced evidence that 
> the work was permanently and irrevocably in the Public Domain. I'm 
> very careful about copyright law, and fully aware of its extreme 
> complexity in an international context. I'm also not intimidated by 
> copyfraud 
> <https://www.nyulawreview.org/issues/volume-81-number-3/copyfraud/>.
>
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