Re: OSHB module

I am responsible for the OSHB module. If an official solution is 
reached, I am happy to update the source files and submit for a module 
update. I just did what worked best in the greatest number of 
front-ends. It was a pragmatic decision. Unfortunately, Xiphos got left 
out.

Daniel

On 3/14/24 7:03 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote:
> Right now, all modules on eBible.org force Strong's numbers to be G or 
> H followed by 4 or 5 digits, with leading zeroes as necessary to make 
> 4 digits. The reason for this is that Paratext and the DBL software 
> choke on any other format. The decision was forced on me, really.
>
> Ideally, I would consider the Real Solution to be that any process 
> that READS Strong's numbers should tolerate the presence or absence of 
> leading zeroes. Indeed, the G or H, if missing, should be inferred 
> from the Testament in which it is found. (Tagging of the longer Esther 
> and Daniel should require an explicit G or H.) But if you write 
> Strong's numbers, maximum compatibility would come from sticking to 
> the Paratext/DBL pattern. Maximum encoding efficiency, of course, 
> would be in the other direction, stripping out the redundant leading 
> zeroes and implied G or H would save space, but at this point, I think 
> maximum compatibility is more important.
>
> Right now, asking for all modules to be rebuilt one way or another is 
> a really big ask. It is probably easier to preprocess all Strong's 
> numbers to make the format consistent within the back end. That way a 
> string comparison in the search should work just fine. We would just 
> have to decide what the search format should be. G or H should be 
> supplied to disambiguate when necessary, and leading zeroes either 
> supplied or stripped. Make sense?
>
> Of course, if a strong consensus on Strong's number formatting could 
> be obtained and manifested in code in all relevant Sword Project front 
> and back end software, I could go either way. My Bible translation 
> source would still have the Paratext/DBL format, but stripping out 
> leading zeroes in writing OSIS files is not hard. For now, though, I 
> must agree with Karl about the probability of his trademarked Real 
> Solution coming to pass. Sigh.
>
> On 3/14/24 11:23, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>> Quite honestly, the Real Solution™ to this problem is to bite the 
>> bullet, make a concrete decision that Strong's numbers are to be 
>> encoded in exactly one way, and re-work all existing modules to 
>> conform to that standard. Personally, I advocate that such a standard 
>> would stipulate Strong's numbers to be encoded in minimal (natural) 
>> digits: Encoding an OT reference as "1" means a Heb Strong's 
>> dictionary key of "00001" and an NT "1401" means a Grk Strong's 
>> dictionary key of "01401", that is, zeroes to create dictionary 
>> module keys are prepended to natural numbers to fill exactly 5 digits.
>>
>> I've never bothered to attempt a final fix to this problem in Xiphos 
>> for exactly the reason that, no matter which direction I might take, 
>> it will be an unreliable hack; that in turn is because the very 
>> concept of a leading '0' as a weak discriminant between Heb and Grk 
>> Strong's numbers is itself an unreliable hack. Whenever the 
>> subsequent conceptual change came along, to distinguish Heb/Grk 
>> numbers according to a leading H or G (that is, lucene search using 
>> e.g. "lemma:G1401"), /that/ was the point at which the 
>> leading-zero-encoding nonsense should have been forced into the trash 
>> bin.
>>
>> It was not, and here we are.
>>
>> Probability of the Real Solution™ coming to pass: Vanishingly close 
>> to zero.
>>
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