Re: Module release: LXX

Le 23/01/2025 à 19:07, Arnaud Vié a écrit :
> Cyrille, I think what you are talking about are the versification 
> mappings.
>
> I'm familiar only with the JSword implementation, which is there : 
> https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/java/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/VersificationsMapper.java 
>
> It relies on mapping files describing how verses map from one 
> versification to KJV (or to KJVA, since my contribution on the 
> andbible fork), such as this one : 
> https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/Catholic2.properties
> Any application can instantiate the VersificationsMapper to convert 
> references from any versification system to any other (using KJVA as 
> pivot).
> AndBible does, for example - and therefore can today seamlessly align 
> two screens displaying two bibles using completely different 
> versifications.
>
> This feature exists as well in the C++ libsword (I see some related 
> code in versificationmgr.cpp ), though I can't help much on that part. 
> Someone else may help explain how the C++ API for this works.
>
Exactly! It's what I'm speaking about! But I don't find it in the source 
of sword, if someone can help me?
>
> So I fully agree with Cyrille : I don't think preserving bibles in a 
> "wrong" versification is a good idea, given that we have a powerful 
> versification mapping feature that negates this need.
> The better way to go is to make sure this versification mapping 
> feature is easy to implement and well documented, for applications to 
> use it with minimal effort.
>
> (As a side note, I proposed early last year a set of principles to 
> design a modular versification system, precisely to improve the 
> accuracy of these versification mappings while reducing the burden of 
> maintaining dozens of versifications, which is still waiting for feedback.
> cf. http://crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2024-February/049957.html )

I'm really disappointed that no one in charge of the project reacted to 
this incredible proposal!
Please respond! At least let Arnaud propose a patch, so you can test and 
validate or not...
That's the tragedy of this list, there are often questions that remain 
unanswered, which prevents us from moving forward.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Arnaud
>
> Le jeu. 23 janv. 2025 à 18:14, Fr Cyrille <[email protected]> a 
> écrit :
>
>     It seems to me that there is a tool or file that allows you to
>     have the equivalent verses of all Bibles with the kjv when
>     displayed in parallel. (someone can help me?).
>     Personally, I'm not too keen on creating a module that uses kjv
>     versification for the LXX. Because it doesn't correspond to any
>     paper version.
>
>
>     Le 23/01/2025 à 16:57, Kovács Zoltán a écrit :
>>     Dear Team,
>>     I restart this thread to ask a related question.
>>     For more than 2 years I have been using LXX version 2.5 in my
>>     Sword based application to have the old text available for
>>     research. But now I would like to try the new version 3.0 as
>>     well, to be available at the same time.
>>     Question: Would it be possible to make LXX version 2.5 available
>>     under a different module name (e.g. LXX25) on Crosswire's module
>>     server, to allow using both without any difficulty? Maybe this
>>     would be beneficial for other users than me. If not, I can of
>>     course do some hacking in my application and rename LXX version
>>     2.5 to LXX25 internally, and then download 3.0 as the new
>>     official LXX.
>>     Thanks and blessings, Zoltan
>>
>>
>>     Kovács Zoltán <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. szept.
>>     1., Cs, 18:46):
>>
>>         Fr Cyrille <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2022.
>>         szept. 1., Cs, 12:27):
>>
>>
>>
>>             Le 01/09/2022 à 12:19, Kovács Zoltán a écrit :
>>>             Plus:
>>>             It seems some verse numberings are different.
>>>             E.g., version 2.5: Psalms 18:47 = version 3.0: Psalms 17:48
>>>             For me, such changes break several parts of the database.
>>>             Is there a list of such modifications available?
>>>             Thanks, Zoltan
>>
>>             The new module use the new versification, LXX. You can
>>             see the new v11n in the sword's sources.
>>
>>         Thanks for the information! I understand that 2.5 uses KJV
>>         (as default), so I have all entries in KJV v11n in my database.
>>         Is there a simple way to convert a KJV verse notation into
>>         LXX v11n? I learned that using VerseKey is a possible way,
>>         but I just want to keep my working method via
>>         SWModule *module = (SWMgr) library.getModule("LXX")
>>         and force using KJV v11n also if 3.0 is used.
>>         Thanks for advising me further.
>>         Best, Zoltan
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>
>>     *Dr. Zoltán** Kovács, MSc*
>>
>>     Institut Ausbildung
>>
>>     /Private Pädagogische Hochschule der Diözese Linz
>>     //Private University of Education, Diocese Linz
>>     //Salesianumweg 3, 4020 Linz//
>>     //Mail: zoltan.kovacs-CBz/91UcOPuzZXS1Dc/[email protected]/
>>
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>>
>>     /RGate: //https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zoltan-Kovacs-3
>>     <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zoltan-Kovacs-3>/
>>
>>     *
>>     Aktuelle Veröffentlichungen:*
>>
>>       * Z. K. “A note on Erdős's mysterious remark”.
>>         arXiv:2412.05190v2
>>         <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386555316_A_note_on_Erdos%27s_mysterious_remark>
>>         (9 December, 2024).
>>       * Z. K. and Reinhard Oldenburg. “A Technological Approach to
>>         Teaching Inequalities, Propositional and Predicate Logic”.
>>         In: 9th International Workshop on Satisfiability Checking and
>>         Symbolic Computation, July 2, 2024, Nancy, France, Collocated
>>         with IJCAR 2024. Ed. by Chris Brown, Daniela Kaufmann,
>>         Cláudia Nalon, Alexander Steen, and Martin Suda. 3717 vols.
>>         July 2, 2024, pp. 122–131. eprint:
>>         http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3717/paper7.pdf.
>>       * Z. K., Tomás Recio and M. Pilar Vélez. “On automated
>>         completion of geometry statements and proofs with GeoGebra
>>         Discovery <https://rdcu.be/d411I>”. Annals of Mathematics and
>>         Artificial Intelligence (December 27, 2024).
>>
>>
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