Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
"Troy A. Griffitts" <[email protected]>
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I believe we support this in SWORD:
```
[tgriffitts@fedora filters]$ grep overline *
osishtmlhref.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type ==
"overline" || type == "x-overline") {
osishtmlhref.cpp: outText("<span
style=\"text-decoration:overline\">", buf, u);
osislatex.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS
overline attribute,
osislatex.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS
x-overline would be best,
osislatex.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made
available, these should all
osislatex.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type ==
"overline" || type == "x-overline") {
osislatex.cpp: outText("\\textoverline{", buf, u);
osisplain.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS
overline attribute,
osisplain.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS
x-overline would be best,
osisplain.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made
available, these should all
osisplain.cpp: if (strstr(token, "rend=\"ol\"") ||
strstr(token, "rend=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token, "rend=\"overline\"")
osisplain.cpp: || strstr(token, "type=\"ol\"") ||
strstr(token, "type=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token,
"type=\"overline\"")) {
osisplain.cpp: u->hiType = "overline";
osisplain.cpp: if (u->hiType == "overline") {
osisxhtml.cpp: .overline { text-decoration: overline; }\n\
osisxhtml.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS
overline attribute,
osisxhtml.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS
x-overline would be best,
osisxhtml.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made
available, these should all
osisxhtml.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type ==
"overline" || type == "x-overline") {
osisxhtml.cpp: outText("<span class=\"overline\">",
buf, u);
teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
teihtmlhref.cpp: buf += "<span
style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";
teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
teilatex.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
teilatex.cpp: buf += "\\overline{";
teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
teixhtml.cpp: buf += "<span
style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";
teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
```
On 3/14/25 3:31 PM, David Haslam wrote:
> Thanks DM,
>
> As and when we get a fix on this for SWORD as well as JSword, we
> should add a suitable description in OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible
> Society <https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Miscellaneous>
> We might even use the/*nomen-sacrum*/case as the illustrated example.
>
> Can anyone familiar with how SWORD works tell us whether
>
> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
>
> would be correctly rendered by SWORD?
>
> And would we need to specify this within an eXtended *type* attribute
> value (one with an "x-" prefix) for the *abbr* element?
>
> <abbrtype="x-nomSac">
> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
> </abbr>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G> secure email.
>
> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 1:58 PM, DM Smith
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Regarding JSword, it supports some TEI within OSIS. Specifically it
>> supports hi with TEI’s attribute rend in addition to OSIS’s attribute
>> type. Chris Little directed that this should be so.
>>
>> It has been a long time since we discussed this, so my memory might
>> be faulty that OSIS was based on TEI and SWORD/JSword would allow
>> some TEI constructs with the OSIS filter.
>>
>> JSword needs a small, easy change to support overline. At this time,
>> it will show the text without any decoration. It should be added to
>> our edition of OSIS.
>>
>>> On Mar 14, 2025, at 4:55 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh-g/[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Troy,
>>>
>>> Does SWORD support an OSIS equivalent to this TEI snippet?
>>>
>>> <abbrtype="nomSac">
>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
>>> </abbr>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not asking about the *abbr* element, but the *rend="overline"*
>>> attribute for the *hi* element.
>>>
>>> Rendering text with *overline* is not documented in the *OSIS User
>>> Manual*.
>>>
>>> 1. Has this ever been tested in SWORD front-ends?
>>> 2. How about JSword-based apps?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G> secure email.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 8:48 AM, David Haslam
>>> <dfhdfh-g/[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Follow-up...
>>>>
>>>> The screenshot image in my _previous reply_ is what I saw in
>>>> *Safari* when I clicked Troy's link while viewing messages from my
>>>> *iPad Mini 4*.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I've done likewise while viewing messages from my *Windows
>>>> 11 PC*, I see a proper XML file via the *Edge* browser!
>>>>
>>>> <w>
>>>> <abbrtype="nomSac">
>>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
>>>> </abbr>
>>>> </w>
>>>> <w>τον</w>
>>>> <w>κοσμον</w>
>>>> <pc>·</pc>
>>>> <lb/>
>>>> <w>ωστε</w>
>>>> <w>τον</w>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just shows that WYSINAWYG ! 🥸
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G> secure email.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 6:40 AM, David Haslam
>>>> <dfhdfh-g/[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png>
>>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Above is what I see after I clicked your link! Not sure if that’s
>>>>> what you intended.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts
>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy
>>>>> A. Griffitts <<a href=>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to
>>>>>> OSIS just fine, e.g.,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/13/25 4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>>>>>> I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and
>>>>>>> encode the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* sword-devel <[email protected]> on
>>>>>>> behalf of David Haslam <dfhdfh-g/[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2025 2:34 pm
>>>>>>> *To:* Alan Bunning <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* sword-devel mailing list <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module:
>>>>>>> StatResGNT
>>>>>>> It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the
>>>>>>> OSIS the equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki
>>>>>>> format !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> {{overline|ΘΥ}}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>>> <dfhdfh-g/[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of
>>>>>>> the OSIS *abbr* element for each instance. This would
>>>>>>> require that each type of */nomina sacrum/* would then need
>>>>>>> to be retained as the abbreviation, and then expanded using
>>>>>>> the XML attribute, e.g.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <abbr expansion="Θεοῦ"> ΘΥ </abbr>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please refer to the *OSIS User Manual* section 13.2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to
>>>>>>> display the expansions!
>>>>>>> /The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have
>>>>>>> therefore cc: to / */sword-devel/* / in this reply.
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure
>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>> Center for New Testament Restoration
>>>>>>> https://greekcntr.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>>>> I received the following emails. I haven't looked
>>>>>>> into them very much, but maybe you want to join the
>>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Zoltan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> Feladó: *David Haslam* < dfhdfh-g/[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>>>>> To: pierre amadio < [email protected]>
>>>>>>> Cc: Kovács Zoltán < [email protected]>, <
>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a very plausible explanation!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are the relevant lines from my *word count*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Word Count
>>>>>>> ˚Θεέ 2
>>>>>>> ˚Θεοῦ 690
>>>>>>> ˚Θεόν 73
>>>>>>> ˚Θεός 68
>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸν 72
>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸς 239
>>>>>>> ˚Θεῷ 158
>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου 231
>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίῳ 95
>>>>>>> ˚Κύριε 89
>>>>>>> ˚Κύριον 63
>>>>>>> ˚Κύριος 139
>>>>>>> ˚Κύριόν 1
>>>>>>> ˚Κύριός 10
>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματι 59
>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος 79
>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματός 5
>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμά 7
>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμα 99
>>>>>>> ˚Χριστέ 1
>>>>>>> ˚Χριστοῦ 252
>>>>>>> ˚Χριστόν 18
>>>>>>> ˚Χριστός 41
>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸν 48
>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸς 71
>>>>>>> ˚Χριστῷ 104
>>>>>>> ˚θεὸς 1
>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ 329
>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦν 126
>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦς 456
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of
>>>>>>> */nomina sacra/*, then it ought to be described in
>>>>>>> the conf file!
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home>
>>>>>>> secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre
>>>>>>> amadio [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I know, there is no such greek accent
>>>>>>> as a circular mark
>>>>>>> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).
>>>>>>> Looking at the source text, they seem to always
>>>>>>> appears next to words such as
>>>>>>> https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt
>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,
>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος
>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina
>>>>>>> sacra in manuscripts ?
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán
>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, David, I will look into it and get
>>>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>>> Best, Zoltan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Haslam dfhdfh-g/[email protected] ezt írta
>>>>>>> (időpont: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arising from the grapheme count, I have
>>>>>>> a further technical query.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING
>>>>>>> ABOVE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am wondering whether these would be
>>>>>>> better being all replaced by U+030A
>>>>>>> COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether
>>>>>>> the mark should follow the Greek letter
>>>>>>> rather than precede it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek
>>>>>>> accents rules is fairly limited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q. What is the most suitable Unicode
>>>>>>> font for viewing a Greek NT text?
>>>>>>> Might it be sensible to include such an
>>>>>>> element in the .conf file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13
>>>>>>> PM, David Haslam dfhdfh-g/[email protected]
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Kovács,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a
>>>>>>> grapheme count on the full Greek text
>>>>>>> with accents.
>>>>>>> i.e. After first stripping out the
>>>>>>> references from the diatheke output. See
>>>>>>> inside attached 7-Zip file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are two left/right count
>>>>>>> mismatches that ought to be looked at.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018 ‘ 483
>>>>>>> 2019 ’ 484
>>>>>>> 201C “ 1,904
>>>>>>> 201D ” 1,907
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cf. The counts of left/right parentheses
>>>>>>> were OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 0028 ( 62
>>>>>>> 0029 ) 62
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59
>>>>>>> AM, David Haslam dfhdfh-g/[email protected]
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This module has the wrong Versification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is
>>>>>>> simply the wrong choice!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please fix this ASAP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dom, Please also fix any bug in your
>>>>>>> script that led to this mistake!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52
>>>>>>> PM, [email protected]
>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is to announce that we have just
>>>>>>> now uploaded StatResGNT
>>>>>>> in the CrossWire beta repository for
>>>>>>> testing purposes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no raised concern nor a quality alert
>>>>>>> has been sent on the list,
>>>>>>> StatResGNT will be published in a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an update.
>>>>>>> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)
>>>>>>> Version=1.3
>>>>>>> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to
>>>>>>> newest release (last database change:
>>>>>>> 2024-07-16)
>>>>>>> TextSource=https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt
>>>>>>> Versification=LXX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the
>>>>>>> hard work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yours
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically.
>>>>>>>
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