Re: SWORD: OSIS transChange and non-Roman scripts?

Are JSword based front-end apps also capable of using the CSS for modules that have one?

Or was this something that is currently supported only by the SWORD based front-ends?

Best regards,

David

On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 23:38, Peter von Kaehne <[[email protected]](mailto:On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 23:38, Peter von Kaehne <<a href=)> wrote:

> There are three possible places for a CSS file
>
> Within each module, associated with a frontend and as part of the
> engine.
>
> The engine defaults are those we used always (hardcoded) before the
> move to semantic XHTML about 8, 10 years ago. Any subsequent additional
> entries to the filters were added in a way which made sense to the
> developer (mostly me at that point, Troy sometimes, I think)
>
> Frontends can use these defaults or override them with their own
> default CSS sheet.
>
> Finally each module can use their own CSS sheet.
>
> In principle there could be a case for cultural/language traditions of
> rendering to be honoured in overarching style sheets (just as the
> engine default style sheet is in reality reflecting Anglo-saxon,
> Western traditions of Bible text typesetting, but such sheets do not
> exist and, as per Dom, if such existed they could be added to each
> module for which they are relevant - the space needs are minimal.
>
> Peter
>
> On Sun, 2025-04-13 at 10:49 -1000, Michael Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Wow! I had no idea we could specify CSS files for modules. Therefore,
>> eBible.org doesn't have any modules that do, YET.
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/25 03:13, David Haslam wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks Peter,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The issue is that [most of] our module developers still seem
>> > blissfully unaware of these possibilities, and thus our module
>> > release script never (or rarely?) announces a CSS sheet as part of
>> > a module.
>> >
>> > Is there any working example of a module that uses a CSS in any of
>> > the CrossWire repos?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What about the associated repos in the MRL ?
>> > Does either eBible.org or IBT use them in any ?
>> >
>> > btw. Where are the CSS files stored?
>> > And can the same CSS file serve more than one module?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, April 13th, 2025 at 2:02 PM, Peter von Kaehne
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Hi David, you are out of date here by probably better part of a
>> > > decade.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > What actually happens is that most/all rendering has been taken
>> > > out of the engine and got replaced by CSS. The engine supplies
>> > > semantically CSS styled XHTML corresponding to the OSIS semantics
>> > > and supplies a standard CSS style sheet which replicates the
>> > > previous hard coded styling.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This CSS sheet can get both augmented and replaced, easily. There
>> > > is a CSS sheet conf entry available to advise the engine of
>> > > existence and location of the module CSS sheet.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I am unaware of any module actually making use of it, but it is
>> > > all there and it is easy to make use of it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The way to figure out which CSS elements need styling simply use
>> > > the diatheke and ask for XHTML output of your module.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Peter
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Peter
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sent from Outlook for iOS
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: sword-devel <[email protected]> on behalf
>> > > of David Haslam <[email protected]>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2025 12:26 pm
>> > > To: sword-devel mailing list <[email protected]>
>> > > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> > > Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD: OSIS transChange and non-Roman
>> > > scripts?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > As we're all aware, the SWORD engine renders in italics text
>> > > enclosed with a transChange element.
>> > >
>> > > Yet not all Bible translations are in a script that supports
>> > > italics!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > IIRC, it was once suggested that Chinese modules that use CJK
>> > > ideograms might possibly be render such text using dotted
>> > > underline.
>> > >
>> > > Has this requirement ever been considered by developers?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > What about Thai for example?
>> > >
>> > > Were the translator to mark up added words in the ThaiKJV using
>> > > transChange, how ought this text be suitably displayed in such a
>> > > way as to make it appear gently distinct?
>> > >
>> > > One possibility might be to render the text in a grey
>> > > font rather than a black font, but any such change of colours
>> > > also has to figure what to do when it's part of the words of
>> > > Christ in a Red Letter Edition.
>> > >
>> > > Has there ever been a detailed technical discussion on this
>> > > topic?
>> > >
>> > > I hadn't hitherto asked Philip Pope whether the ThaiKJV FoxPro
>> > > database contains semantic indicators for words added by the
>> > > translators, but as the translation is made from the KJV rather
>> > > than from the original languages, it does seem to me to be quite
>> > > pertinent.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > >
>> > > David
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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