Re: Recovering from bad disk ...

On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:19 PM, objectwerks inc wrote:
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>> It is not "appropriate" to trim out addresses, anymore than it is "inappropriate" to not trim them out. The request is invalid and it's also denied. It will continue to be denied.
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> You are responsible for sending emails that you hit the SEND button for.

I have no problem with the emails I'm sending.


>   Gratuitous and non appropriate use of REPLY ALL is your problem and not the lists problem.

It's your opinion that it's gratuitous and inappropriate. This is your convention, not mine. I have agreed to no such binding.

>   Just because you can use REPLY ALL to get around a roadblock set by the list owners to cut down on stupid posts does not mean that you should and have the right to send to everyone that shows up in the REPLY ALL to: and cc: lists.

We can leave list owners out because they have no sanctioned RFC mechanism for producing the behavior your describe other than List-Post No, which then makes the entire list non-posting. This is entirely in the domain of the client.


> When you hit REPLY ALL that does not mean that every address there needs to be sent to.  It is YOUR responsibility to use the tools appropriately and to trim the TO and CC lists appropriately to what you are trying to do.  

It is your opinion I am obligated to manually alter fields. You are welcome to find an IETF RFC that proves you correct. Your request that I manually alter fields is denied.


> There is an alternative.  Hit reply, edit the To: to say  [email protected] -- I am sure Mail.App will auto fill it in for you as soon as you get enough keys typed.

I will not do this. The alternative is too burdensome.

>> It's a list. I'm on dozens of lists with hundreds of daily emails. I know how to manage them. Apparently you don't. You're the only person I've had a list argument with in, I don't know, probably five years, that was unrelated to the topic of the list.
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> And you are using the list WRONG.

In your opinion.

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> Here is a post from OMNI GROUP that explains it.
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> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-dev/2003-November/048915.html

This does every bit as much support the usage of Reply All as it proposes desire for conscious replies. It makes no mention of a protocol requiring or even suggesting that people trim fields.

By the way, I am noticing Apple Mail, for inexplicable reasons, sometimes excludes From: email addresses when there is a Reply-To: address even though I always click Reply All. This reply for example does not include  From: 	objectwerks inc <chad+macosx-AU1NHruoRJaEK/[email protected]>. While when I Reply All on other emails, it does. I'm not finding a pattern that explains this.


Chris Murphy