Re: Server Mailing list? (LuKreme)

Thanks Mike - you are right (I was just writing from my memory and what I read on the discussion forum), DNS does exist in LS but there seems to have been lots of problems with it.  I was just trying to warn folks to read the Apple discussion forums before upgrading (more of a downgrade if you ask me ;-) so there will be no surprises.  A couple of folks on there have upgraded thinking it would be an upgrade and things would generally work out better to end up wasting many many hours/days and having to revert back to SLS.

I recommend anyone tempted by LS just scan the topics on the LS discussion forum:

<http://discussions.apple.com/community/servers_enterprise_software/mac_os_x_lion_server?view=discussions#>

And perhaps these:

<https://discussions.apple.com/message/16004795#16004795>

<https://discussions.apple.com/message/15775698#15775698>

Here's a quote:

> Lion Server simply drops about half the previous functionality of the product while adding a badly designed and completely unnecessary additional administrative app.  What remains is simplified in the same sense that a lobotomy "simplified" Francis Farmer. 
>  
> "Where's DNS?"  It's gone.
> "How do I support multiple domains?"  You don't.
> "But I absolutely need to run multiple, differently configured websites!"  Tough luck.
>  
> I can only assume this is in keeping with Apple's decision to stop building server hardware – it's abandoned IT as a market, but believes some unspecified group of people won't mind spending a small sum to play with a strangely crippled server product.

and

> I agree fully. We've decided to DROP apple as a server platform, and highly doubtful we'll be back. Why would I buy a toy that's made for someone living in there basement. ... can you tell I'm choked about Lion Server?... Have been running a lot of Mac servers over the last decade, and I mean a lot, but this latest move by Apple to make a single domain unit has to be the dumbest thing I've seen yet. Yeah, I can do it manually, or install webmin etc etc... but that's not why I purchased the darn SERVER VERSION in the first place ...... Linux here we come!!!... grrrrrrr

Of course, there are always good / bad / extreme posts and everyone has different needs so there mileage will vary.

Cheers,
Ashley.



On 03/11/2011, at 11:37 PM, Mike Friedman wrote:

> It's absolutely untrue that Lion server doesn't include such things as DNS. However, you DO have to install the Server Admin tools separately (which is stupid, Apple! Why do you have to make things extra difficult and then not document them?). Open Directory could not work without DNS running, so it has to be there.
> 
> I think they are stupidly trying to hide things from novices that don't concern those of us who do this for a living. 
> 
> I have not done an SL to L upgrade yet (I have one pending) but I did a brand new install of Lion Server and everything functions just fine. It's a pretty simple setup so far (no web or mail, but that's coming).
> 
> 
> On Nov 3, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Neil Laubenthal wrote:
> 
>> I've heard several reports that echo what both Jesse and Ashley have said . . .I guess the main idea is that SL Server and Lion Server are different cats (in more ways than one:-) and you need to make sure that whichever you use does whatever you need it to do.
>> 
>> I would tend to agree with Ashley's recommendation not to try upgrading from SLS to LS . . .but then I was a systems administrator by trade for the last 20 years before I recently  retired . . .and I would _never_ upgrade a server OS. They're always installed, patched, secured, and configured from scratch although I will export/import config files to make things easier/quicker. I still haven't decided whether to use Lion server or not . . .I guess I could splurge and spend the 50 bucks and test it to find out . . .but think I'll download the docs and check out all the goodies first . . .what I primarily want are portable home directories and a better permissions model for shared folders. I'm currently using regular Lion as a home file server and there are issues with permissions if say I save a file and then my wife needs to modify it. I've worked a round this by using a common service account to mount the shared data volume on both of our laptops but that solution is less than elegant so it's irritating.
>> 
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>> On Nov 3, 2011, at 9:41 AM,11/3, Jesse Tayler wrote:
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>>> Just as a note, I haven't had any issues and am fine with Lion server.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> WARNING:  Do NOT (try to) upgrade a Snow Leopard Server installation to Lion Server until you have read the posts on Apple's OS X Lion Server discussion list.
>>>> 
>>>> From what I've read there Mac OS X Lion Server is something pretty much everyone should stay away from.  It's beta at best, lots of things are problematic, it just doesn't work in a lot of cases, and lots of functionality was lost from Snow Leopard server (e.g. DNS, virtual web hosts, ...) and there are many limitations (e.g. one local subnet).  
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>> neil
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