Re: Database updates through Catalina
Macs R We <[email protected]> Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:38:00 -0700
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--===============3019788680080081339== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C1ECD524-4804-4FFF-9E09-1C6B15438E37" --Apple-Mail=_C1ECD524-4804-4FFF-9E09-1C6B15438E37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On this subject only =E2=80=94 Photos long predates High Sierra (2015, = Yosemite). I run HS on my main machine, I still run iPhotos despite at = lest two OS upgrades, and I continually attract rafts of * from peers = about running obsolete software.=20 Initially, I declined to switch to Photos until it had at least the = editing capabilities that iPhotos had (the initial release was sorely = lacking). It's probably way better now, but I just haven't taken the = time to switch, because iPhotos continues to run excellently; the only = diminution is that it lost the ability to erase photos from my tethered = iPhone as it used to be able to do, and I now have to do that by hand. And as for "totally incompatible" databases, way to the contrary =E2=80=94= when you first launch Photos, it creates a database that is actually a = hard-linked file structure into the existing iPhoto database, so that = the photos "exist in two places at once" without taking up double the = storage, and the old one can be deleted without losing anything. To my = knowledge, that mechanism has never been removed from Photos; if I = launched it today for the first time, it would still "adopt" my iPhotos = database that way. > On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Carl Hoefs = <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Oops, I just checked, and High Sierra did run Photos, but an early = version of the database. It did get updated often going to Catalina, = though. >=20 > -Carl >=20 >> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Carl Hoefs = <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> = wrote: >>=20 >> High Sierra ran iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database = formats are totally incompatible, which is why it upgrades the database. = And I know that somewhere along the way (from HS to Catalina) it did a = forced upgrade of the mailboxes.=20 >>=20 >> So my guess is that your undertaking would be an exercise in = futility... >>=20 >> (And ditto your frustration with the iMac's gossamer-thin screen = connection wires: What were they thinking?) >>=20 >> -Carl >>=20 >>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Macs R We <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> I have a client running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a spinner. = There's no reason he needs to be running Catalina (he still uses Lotus = 123, for heaven's sake), he is apparently just a low-information victim = of Apple's antisocial robo-nag campaign to "Upgrade! Upgrade!! = Upgrade!!!"=20 >>>=20 >>> His machine is now crawling. >>>=20 >>> My preference would be to clone his machine to an external, wiping = it, install fresh High Sierra, and then migrate his files back in. But = I'm unsure whether there have been format changes between HS and = Catalina in personal databases such as Photos, Address Book, mailboxes, = and the like that would queer this=E2=80=A6 or whether File Migration = might just arbitrarily nix the importation out of principle. Not to = mention knowing that the System Settings category (WiFi networks, Apple = IDs, Sharing, Accessibility, etc.) would probably be un-migratable in = toto, but that's less important as it can be addressed manually. >>>=20 >>> Can anyone say if this reverse-migration is doomed before it's = tried? >>>=20 >>> The alternative would be to swap out his HDD with an SSD and clone = it over, which would be a more costly job in terms of hardware fiddlery = time (I hate working on iMacs, having to disconnect all the fragile = display screen connectors to do the simplest things), pus the cost of a = new TB drive. >>>=20 >>> (Damn Apple's irresponsible pressure on typical consumers to upgrade = their OSes.) >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support >>> in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. >>> http://macsrwe.com <http://macsrwe.com/> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-talk mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk = <https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk> >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C1ECD524-4804-4FFF-9E09-1C6B15438E37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">On = this subject only =E2=80=94 Photos long predates High Sierra (2015, = Yosemite). I run HS on my main machine, I still run iPhotos despite at = lest two OS upgrades, and I continually attract rafts of * from peers = about running obsolete software. <div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Initially, I declined to switch to = Photos until it had at least the editing capabilities that iPhotos had = (the initial release was sorely lacking). It's probably way better now, = but I just haven't taken the time to switch, because iPhotos continues = to run excellently; the only diminution is that it lost the ability to = erase photos from my tethered iPhone as it used to be able to do, and I = now have to do that by hand.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And as for "totally incompatible" = databases, way to the contrary =E2=80=94 when you first launch Photos, = it creates a database that is actually a hard-linked file structure into = the existing iPhoto database, so that the photos "exist in two places at = once" without taking up double the storage, and the old one can be = deleted without losing anything. To my knowledge, that mechanism has = never been removed from Photos; if I launched it today for the first = time, it would still "adopt" my iPhotos database that way.<br = class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Carl Hoefs <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Oops, I just checked, = and High Sierra did run Photos, but an early version of the database. It = did get updated often going to Catalina, though.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"">-Carl</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul = 1, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Carl Hoefs <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">High Sierra ran = iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database formats are totally = incompatible, which is why it upgrades the database. And I know that = somewhere along the way (from HS to Catalina) it did a forced upgrade of = the mailboxes. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">So my guess is that your undertaking would be an exercise in = futility...<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">(And = ditto your frustration with the iMac's gossamer-thin screen connection = wires: What were they thinking?)</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">-Carl<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul = 1, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Macs R We <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I have a client = running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a spinner. There's no reason = he needs to be running Catalina (he still uses Lotus 123, for heaven's = sake), he is apparently just a low-information victim of Apple's = antisocial robo-nag campaign to "Upgrade! Upgrade!! = Upgrade!!!" <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">His = machine is now crawling.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">My preference would be to clone his machine to an external, = wiping it, install fresh High Sierra, and then migrate his files = back in. But I'm unsure whether there have been format changes between = HS and Catalina in personal databases such as Photos, Address Book, = mailboxes, and the like that would queer this=E2=80=A6 or whether File = Migration might just arbitrarily nix the importation out of principle. = Not to mention knowing that the System Settings category (WiFi networks, = Apple IDs, Sharing, Accessibility, etc.) would probably be un-migratable = in toto, but that's less important as it can be addressed = manually.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Can = anyone say if this reverse-migration is doomed before it's = tried?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The = alternative would be to swap out his HDD with an SSD and clone it over, = which would be a more costly job in terms of hardware fiddlery time (I = <i class=3D"">hate</i> working on iMacs, having to disconnect all the = fragile display screen connectors to do the simplest things), pus the = cost of a new TB drive.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">(Damn Apple's irresponsible pressure on typical consumers to = upgrade their OSes.)</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;" class=3D"">-- <br class=3D""> Macs R We -- = Personal Macintosh Service and Support<br class=3D""> = in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas.<br = class=3D""> = <a = href=3D"http://macsrwe.com/" class=3D"">http://macsrwe.com</a></div> </div> <br = class=3D""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">MacOSX-talk mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk" = class=3D"">https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk</a><br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div>_____________________________________________= __<br class=3D"">MacOSX-talk mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk" = class=3D"">https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk</a><br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_C1ECD524-4804-4FFF-9E09-1C6B15438E37-- --===============3019788680080081339== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list [email protected] https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk --===============3019788680080081339==--