Re: Database updates through Catalina
Macs R We <[email protected]> Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:46:59 -0700
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--===============7691006926579639508== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3FFB55D4-8FC0-442A-920E-BBD2FFD2072A" --Apple-Mail=_3FFB55D4-8FC0-442A-920E-BBD2FFD2072A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 After reading all the responses, I think I'm going to scrap the = downgrade option and just go with the SSD option, as much as I hate it. = Going through iCloud for stuff is not a great option given my rural = Internet speeds, and he may not have the storage there anyway. I'll also tell him once more to stop upgrading his machine if he doesn't = want to eat additional unnecessary repair bills. Thanks, all. > On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Carl Hoefs = <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > =46rom https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022: = <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022:> >=20 >=20 > The only way to downgrade a Photos Library from Photos 4.0 Mojave to = Photos 2.0 Sierra would be to use iCloud Photos Library.=20 >=20 > -Carl >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Carl Hoefs = <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> = wrote: >>=20 >> Oops, I just checked, and High Sierra did run Photos, but an early = version of the database. It did get updated often going to Catalina, = though. >>=20 >> -Carl >>=20 >>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Carl Hoefs = <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> = wrote: >>>=20 >>> High Sierra ran iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database = formats are totally incompatible, which is why it upgrades the database. = And I know that somewhere along the way (from HS to Catalina) it did a = forced upgrade of the mailboxes.=20 >>>=20 >>> So my guess is that your undertaking would be an exercise in = futility... >>>=20 >>> (And ditto your frustration with the iMac's gossamer-thin screen = connection wires: What were they thinking?) >>>=20 >>> -Carl >>>=20 >>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Macs R We <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I have a client running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a = spinner. There's no reason he needs to be running Catalina (he still = uses Lotus 123, for heaven's sake), he is apparently just a = low-information victim of Apple's antisocial robo-nag campaign to = "Upgrade! Upgrade!! Upgrade!!!"=20 >>>>=20 >>>> His machine is now crawling. >>>>=20 >>>> My preference would be to clone his machine to an external, wiping = it, install fresh High Sierra, and then migrate his files back in. But = I'm unsure whether there have been format changes between HS and = Catalina in personal databases such as Photos, Address Book, mailboxes, = and the like that would queer this=E2=80=A6 or whether File Migration = might just arbitrarily nix the importation out of principle. Not to = mention knowing that the System Settings category (WiFi networks, Apple = IDs, Sharing, Accessibility, etc.) would probably be un-migratable in = toto, but that's less important as it can be addressed manually. >>>>=20 >>>> Can anyone say if this reverse-migration is doomed before it's = tried? >>>>=20 >>>> The alternative would be to swap out his HDD with an SSD and clone = it over, which would be a more costly job in terms of hardware fiddlery = time (I hate working on iMacs, having to disconnect all the fragile = display screen connectors to do the simplest things), pus the cost of a = new TB drive. >>>>=20 >>>> (Damn Apple's irresponsible pressure on typical consumers to = upgrade their OSes.) >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support >>>> in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. >>>> http://macsrwe.com = <http://macsrwe.com/> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MacOSX-talk mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk = <https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk> >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacOSX-talk mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk = <https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk> >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> MacOSX-talk mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3FFB55D4-8FC0-442A-920E-BBD2FFD2072A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">After= reading all the responses, I think I'm going to scrap the downgrade = option and just go with the SSD option, as much as I hate it. Going = through iCloud for stuff is not a great option given my rural Internet = speeds, and he may not have the storage there anyway.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I'll also tell him once more to stop = upgrading his machine if he doesn't want to eat additional unnecessary = repair bills.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Thanks, all.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:36 PM, = Carl Hoefs <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=46rom <a = href=3D"https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022:" = class=3D"">https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022:</a><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, = 51, 51); font-family: "Myriad Set Pro", "Helvetica = Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; white-space: = pre-wrap; background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=3D"">The only way = to downgrade a Photos Library from Photos 4.0 Mojave to Photos 2.0 = Sierra would be to use iCloud Photos Library. </span></div><div = class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, = 51, 51); font-family: "Myriad Set Pro", "Helvetica = Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; white-space: = pre-wrap; background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D"">-Carl</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Carl Hoefs <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Oops, I just checked, = and High Sierra did run Photos, but an early version of the database. It = did get updated often going to Catalina, though.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"">-Carl</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul = 1, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Carl Hoefs <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">High Sierra ran = iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database formats are totally = incompatible, which is why it upgrades the database. And I know that = somewhere along the way (from HS to Catalina) it did a forced upgrade of = the mailboxes. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">So my guess is that your undertaking would be an exercise in = futility...<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">(And = ditto your frustration with the iMac's gossamer-thin screen connection = wires: What were they thinking?)</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">-Carl<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul = 1, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Macs R We <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I have a client = running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a spinner. There's no reason = he needs to be running Catalina (he still uses Lotus 123, for heaven's = sake), he is apparently just a low-information victim of Apple's = antisocial robo-nag campaign to "Upgrade! Upgrade!! = Upgrade!!!" <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">His = machine is now crawling.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">My preference would be to clone his machine to an external, = wiping it, install fresh High Sierra, and then migrate his files = back in. But I'm unsure whether there have been format changes between = HS and Catalina in personal databases such as Photos, Address Book, = mailboxes, and the like that would queer this=E2=80=A6 or whether File = Migration might just arbitrarily nix the importation out of principle. = Not to mention knowing that the System Settings category (WiFi networks, = Apple IDs, Sharing, Accessibility, etc.) would probably be un-migratable = in toto, but that's less important as it can be addressed = manually.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Can = anyone say if this reverse-migration is doomed before it's = tried?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The = alternative would be to swap out his HDD with an SSD and clone it over, = which would be a more costly job in terms of hardware fiddlery time (I = <i class=3D"">hate</i> working on iMacs, having to disconnect all the = fragile display screen connectors to do the simplest things), pus the = cost of a new TB drive.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">(Damn Apple's irresponsible pressure on typical consumers to = upgrade their OSes.)</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;" class=3D"">-- <br class=3D""> Macs R We -- = Personal Macintosh Service and Support<br class=3D""> = in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas.<br = class=3D""> = <a = href=3D"http://macsrwe.com/" class=3D"">http://macsrwe.com</a></div> </div> <br = class=3D""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">MacOSX-talk mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk" = class=3D"">https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk</a><br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div>_____________________________________________= __<br class=3D"">MacOSX-talk mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk" = class=3D"">https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk</a><br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">MacOSX-talk mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk" = class=3D"">https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk</a><br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_3FFB55D4-8FC0-442A-920E-BBD2FFD2072A-- --===============7691006926579639508== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list [email protected] https://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk --===============7691006926579639508==--