RE: Help with the unit of displacment in modal analysis

"David Lindeman [email protected] [Abaqus]" <[email protected]> Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:56:41 +0000
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Modal analyses do not give you displacements, they give you eigenvectors (w=
hich are normalized to one, or normalized using the mass matrix).  Ask your=
self one question:  what is my loading?  Without a meaningful load you can=
=E2=80=99t have meaningful displacements, strains, or stresses.  A simple f=
requency analysis will only give you mode shapes.

Regards,

Dave Lindeman
Staff Scientist
Corporate Research Systems Laboratory
3M Center 235-3G-08
St. Paul, MN 55144
651-733-6383

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Abaqus] Help with the unit of displacment in modal an=
alysis



Hi guys! I'm a beginner in ABAQUs.

I'm realizing a modal analysis (free vibration) on a thin plate to obatin
the first 10 mode
shapes. I need, specifically, the displacments in Z direction (U3). I'm
entering with the inpunt data to obtain results with units em meters
(Elastic Modulus in Pa; dimensions in meters and density in Kg/m^3).

The plate have dimensions of 270E-3 x 360E-3 meters (270x360 millimeters).

The problem is the values of displacments em Z. They are absurds! Look to
the node 1, for example... can this one have a displacment of 3.5 meters i=
n
a plate of 270x360 millimeters? Definitely there is a problem here, right?

Someone can help me?

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      <p>Modal analyses do not give you displacements, they give you eigenv=
ectors (which are normalized to one, or normalized using the mass matrix). =
 Ask yourself one question:  what is my loading?  Without a meaningful load=
 you can=E2=80=99t have meaningful displacements, strains, or stresses.  A =
simple frequency analysis will only give you mode shapes.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dave Lindeman<br>
Staff Scientist<br>
Corporate Research Systems Laboratory<br>
3M Center 235-3G-08<br>
St. Paul, MN 55144<br>
651-733-6383<br>
<br>
From: [email protected] &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:46 AM<br>
To: [email protected]<br>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Abaqus] Help with the unit of displacment in modal ana=
lysis<br>
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Hi guys! I&#39;m a beginner in ABAQUs.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m realizing a modal analysis (free vibration) on a thin plate to obat=
in<br>
the first 10 mode<br>
shapes. I need, specifically, the displacments in Z direction (U3). I&#39;m=
<br>
entering with the inpunt data to obtain results with units em meters<br>
(Elastic Modulus in Pa; dimensions in meters and density in Kg/m^3).<br>
<br>
The plate have dimensions of 270E-3 x 360E-3 meters (270x360 millimeters).<=
br>
<br>
The problem is the values of displacments em Z. They are absurds! Look to<b=
r>
the node 1, for example... can this one have a displacment of 3.5 meters in=
<br>
a plate of 270x360 millimeters? Definitely there is a problem here, right?<=
br>
<br>
Someone can help me?<br>
<br>
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