Re: FW: wxMaxima accessibility

Pete,

Would you be willing to try out Yamwi? I am interested in suggestions to
improve it with regards to accessibility. It is a web-browser
based front-end to Maxima. It displays input in a number of formats,
including 1d, and it can display output in MathML (and 1d, amongst
others).

You can try a live version at:

https://net124.reltub.ca/yamwi/

Best regards,
Leo


On Fri, May 22 2026, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Gunter,
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>  
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> Thanks for giving this a try.  
>
>  
>
> To answer the question for another poster, I assume that this is an
> attempt to make WX Maxima useable by a blind person (like myself) who
> uses a screen reader like JAWS (the top commercial screen reader),
> Narrator *built into Windows), or Voiceover (built into Mac),
> etc. Such screen readers rely on knowing what text chunks are being
> sent to various parts of the display (rather than bitmapped images) so
> that the screen reader can speak the text or display it on a braille
> display. This is not an easy task for a program that is highly
> graphical in nature.
>
>  
>
> When I use maxima, I use the command line version and display text in
> a 1D format since screen readers only speak what is on the current
> line. The alternative is to use MathML in an HTML window since screen
> readers can now display MathML very well and enable the user to
> navigate expressions along with various levels of sub-expressions
> using MathML. Before I retired as a research scientist at Xerox (many
> moon ago!) I used to use Maple in a similar fashion – command line
> mode with 1D expressions (since that was before the time MathML was
> supported by screen readers).
>
>  
>
> Anyway, I would be curious to give this a shot when you feel it is ready to test.
>
>  
>
> If you remember, you might send me a separate note at:
>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>
> Since I do not regularly keep up with this list.
>
>  
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> Thanks and good luck.
>
>  
>
> --Pete
>
>  
>
> From: Gunter Königsmann <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2026 3:09 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Subject: wxMaxima accessibility
>
>  
>
> Dear all,
>
> No idea if that will work out, but - a few years ago I tried to add accessibility to wxMaxima, but to no avail.
>
> Now a colleague of mine has convinced me to try an AI abonnement. The
> AI cannot really test it - at least on my computer, but I wanted to
> announce that one of the first jobs I am giving to the AI is to try
> again to add accessibility to wxMaxima. The result was loads of code
> changes. Currently a different AI model is trying to review that
> code. With a big bit of luck tomorrow's Nightly Build will actually
> provide some accessibility. If it does any feedback you send me will
> be forwarded to the AI that will try to improve things.
>
> My current impression is:
>
> *	AI is no silver bullet.
> *	It tends to try to convince you that it did a good job. If the summary focusses on how good that job was - it often knows it didn't manage to make it work and hopes you'll never test.
> *	If it doesn't find a bug it might just do random changes to the code hoping that will help, but
> *	it is excellent at some jobs human beings aren't good at,
> *	it has resolved many problems I've been trying to resolve for years and
> *	sometimes finding a solution is an iterative task when dealing with an AI - as it is when dealing with human beings.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>   Gunter.
>
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