Re: open source policy across the globe
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[email protected]>
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>>>>> "L" == L Jean Camp <[email protected]> writes: L> On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 04:06 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull L> wrote: >> [Restricting trade] is bad public policy. I believe in >> democracy, and if a democratic society chooses to do things >> that way, I will acquiesce, but not shut up. L> Markets are good public policy ONLY when they function as they L> should, they are not good per se. The first clause is mistargeted, although the consequent is correct. Markets are good public policy precisely when they accomplish public goals better than alternative institutions do. L> Markets are bad public policy when the exclusion and rivalry on L> which they depend are not present, and the cost of exclusion is L> greater than the resulting increase in value. The first clause is demonstrably false, as markets for emissions permits show. Artificial creation of scarcity can be a very useful tool if it allows decentralization of decision-making about allocation of related resources. In the case of software copyright, it's a rough approximation? Definitely. Good or bad? That's an empirical question. If you have hard numbers, I'd love to see them; I don't know where to get them. (They're certainly not on offer from the SPA.) L> It appears that the means (markets) have been dreadfully L> confused with the ends (improving the lot of humanity). Jefferson may have got the cost-benefit analysis wrong, but he did not confuse means with ends. As for latter-day economists, I'll content myself with the observation that even Milton Friedman signed the economists's amicus curiae brief to the Eldridge case, opposing copyright extension. There _are_ people who are confused (Sonny Bono's widow and the US Congress), and clearly Bill Gates and Disney, Inc, et al would love to take advantage of that (and may even be confused themselves). But I don't think any of them hang out on FSB, at least not for very long. L> The software market "works" under an exclusion model even when L> there is proof, in running code and viable businesses, that the L> exclusion model is not necessary. May I point out that Cyclic Software disbanded having taken in a bit more than $100,000 in its best year (according to Jim Kingdon's home page), while BitMover annually contributes services of that order of magnitude of value back to the community? As a matched pair (same market segment) you could take that as "proof" that there are cases where the exclusion model is necessary, even socially beneficial! Statistics may lie, but examples are downright shameless! But let's take your unspecified examples seriously. They're not working under the exclusion model, then. Is there a problem here? It would seem that those businesses that are successful without exclusion aren't using it, while those businesses that need it, do use it? Sure, there's a grey area in the middle where I think the FSB consensus is that there's too much proprietary software, and that's where the open source movement comes in, posting "Eric Raymond's Top Ten Reasons Why Open Source Improves Quality and Lowers Cost".[1] So it's not obvious to me that there is a need for a _social_ policy other than education here. The ordinary business case for specifying open source licensing[2] for software acquisitions seems extremely strong to me; balancing that against the automatic cost-sharing and the production incentives (== rapacious profit-taking) provided by non-open source-licensing seems like precisely the kind of thing that the market is reasonably good at. Again, a "lucky" approximation because semi-open licensing entails a lot of lock-in risk[3], so smart customers will insist on fully open licenses. But close enough that I think "educate, then wait and see" is the best policy. YMMV. If that business case applies to government's operations too, as I'm sure you agree it does, it makes a lot of sense for government purchasing guidelines to specify open source. But that's not what I mean by "public policy", that's just good stewardship. L> I don't think we should prohibit closed software, don't get me L> wrong, but that a strict property model makes more money for L> some subset of the people involved in software does not make it L> superior in policy terms. Who advocates "making more money for some subset" on FSB? The policy argument here is about which produces more benefits in terms of the somewhat conflicting goals of greater variety of software distributed to more people. Note that this _is_ on-topic, as one important question to many would- be FSB entrepreneurs is "how do I support my hacking jones? Can I get paid for it, or do I have to hack for compensation that will not directly feed my kids and put my dog through college?" The answer at present seems to be that it's pretty hard to get paid for basic development of apps through free software business models. On the other hand, there's plenty of money to be made in customization and configuration. Some hackers are perfectly happy with the latter kind of work, and for them life is good indeed. But others would like to be writing basic infrastructure and getting recognized in the coin of the realm, which doesn't seem to be nearly as easy. Yet their work is presumably more valuable socially (it's potentially useful to more people). L> Luckily for the fsb, bad economics is often good business. Not luck at all! Economic theory tells you that in the long run, you're going to make zero profit. So good business is all about getting there before the economics really get a hold on you. Footnotes: [1] ESR reminds me more of Dave Letterman than Bruce Perens does. [2] Consider how Microsoft's recent manoeuvers only make it clear that "open source with some rights retained" leaves the customer hardly better off than with out-and-out closed source. [3] Or maybe not so "lucky"---why would a smart vendor use non-open licensing _except_ to generate lock-in? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.