Re: [mh] What’s better than Insteon?

Tom,

I did find that there is a UL listed version of Shelly 2.5. Didn't find 
that for any others though.

Jeff

On 2020-12-13 10:03 p.m., Tom MacLean wrote:
> My last report on this.  Globe Electric seems to have a full line of 
> Wifi devices that actually have a safety listing (of at least I found 
> the had many devices listed in the ETL directory) and it appears to be 
> a Canadian company, which gives me slight more faith than some of the 
> alternatives.
>
> I couldn’t find safety listings for the Shelly devices.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:46 PM, Tom MacLean <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>  Giles, if you happen to live in North America I will point out that 
>> the Sonoff don’t have a safety listing (no mark such as UL, CSA, TUV) 
>> which is required by the electrical codes.
>>
>> In looking up Tasmota I have found at least one brand (Treatlife) 
>> that has safety listing from ETL on their switches , though not 
>> dimmers. I don’t understand how Amazon gets away with selling all 
>> this stuff without safety listings.
>>
>> Thanks for the lead on Tasmota.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 6:17 AM, Giles Godart-Brown 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> I've  gone though a umber of iterations with my Misterhouse based 
>>> system, going  from x10 to LightwaveRF, then Wemo and now MQTT 
>>> devices based on Sonoff (https://sonoff.tech/product) which I 
>>> reflash with Tasmota (https://tasmota.github.io/docs/)
>>>
>>> There are HUGE benefits of doing this, e.g.
>>>
>>>   * They are very cheap
>>>   * They work with the MH MQTT interface ( but I mostly use html
>>>     because I'd already written lots of  code for Wemo)
>>>   * Every device has a web page so its easy to check the  actual
>>>     status of any device, I have a script that does this every 5
>>>     minutes ( I'm a belt and braces type of guy).
>>>   * Tasmota implements the MQTT Last Will and Testament so you  can
>>>     detect within seconds if a device has gone offline
>>>   * Tasmota is awesome - there are loads of device drivers, for
>>>     example I have it running on a Wemos D1 mini
>>>     (https://shop.rasp.io/products/wemos-d1-mini-esp8266) connected
>>>     to 8 1-wire temperature sensors, this feeds my MH central
>>>     heating system
>>>   * There are excellent management tools for  tasmota e.g. TDM
>>>     (https://github.com/jziolkowski/tdm) which shows all the Tasmota
>>>     devices on your network, allows you to access their consoles,
>>>     web pages, lists version numbers, wifi signal strength, do over
>>>     the air updates and much more.
>>>
>>> This isn't for the faint hearted;
>>>
>>>   * There is a bit of a learning curve
>>>   * You have to reflash commercial devices (and sometimes this
>>>     involves soldering), but the support community is great and they
>>>     respond pretty quickly when Sonoff changes the firmware.
>>>   * You have to have reasonable coverage of your Wifi, that said, a
>>>     couple of my outdoor switches are running fine with only 30%
>>>     signal strength, (i use the BT mesh whole home wifi
>>>     routers/repeaters inside)
>>>   * You  end up with a lot of devices on your WiFi network (over 50
>>>     in my case) but their traffic is very low compared to say
>>>     streaming video.
>>>   * You need to run an MQTT broker, however Mosquitto
>>>     (https://mosquitto.org/) seems to be very lightweight (I have it
>>>     running with Misterhouse on a Raspberry PI)
>>>
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2020 10:04, Tom MacLean wrote:
>>>> I have an aging misterhouse and Insteon setup. I’m getting a bit annoyed with replacing Insteon modules (particularly the ones that were buried in my kitchen ceiling!) and also they are a bit quirky. (If I turn off a bunch of lights too quickly, a whole bunch of other lights turn on.)
>>>>
>>>> I am planning a basement reno that will lead to a bunch more modules.  Is there another automation technology I should be considering?
>>>>
>>>> I would like to avoid cloud-based solutions.
>>>> I am a little leery of bogging down my wifi with old-standard equipment.
>>>> Mister house automation is mandatory.
>>>> UL/CSA is mandatory
>>>> More cosmetic options than Insteon would be nice.
>>>>
>>>> I’d appreciate your advice!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More variety in swit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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