RE: ONT Re: Differential Logic A -- Discussion
"Richard Martin" <[email protected]> Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:37 -0500
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Jon, On a different plane I am flying. Flight, whether of a bird or airplane, is an often mentioned emergent property. So if I assign flight's reality to x, which assignments to the components of y might yield the emergence of flight? Cheers, Richard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Awbrey Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 12:23 AM To: Ontology Subject: ONT Re: Differential Logic A -- Discussion o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o DLOG A. Discussion Note 12 o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o I return to my picture of the relation between a reality x and a representation y whose components are y_1, y_2, y_3. JA: The way I see it, we have a reality, say x, and then we have a representation of that reality, say y. If the representation y is "analytic" or "articulate" in any sense of those words, then it will analyze or articulate the reality x in terms of y's components, say, for example, y_1, y_2, y_3, just for a start. So we have a picture like this: x y o------------->o /|\ / | \ / | \ / | \ o o o y_1 y_2 y_3 Let me now draw what I consider to be a critical distinction with respect to the question of emergence, that is, to put it in the roughest possible terms, the issue of whether "the whole is more than the sum of its parts". If by "whole" we mean the object reality x, and if by "parts" we mean the parts of speech, so to speak, of the representation y, then the emergence of x beyond the y_j is hardly surprising, indeed, it's a corollary of the fact that the representation y is approximate, and thus it proves nothing about the potential emergence of y beyond its own components on the plane of the given representation. Of course, this issue will only be confused even further by the unflective reification of representational components. On the representational plane, however, the utility of the representation generally depends on each representation being determined by its components. What results from this requirement of useful representations is an obligation to render more explicit what we mean by "parts" and by "sum" in a given setting. For example, if y is simply the set {y_1, y_2, y_3}, then y is something that can be said to exist "over and above" its elements, at least, in some sense, even in the case of a singleton set, say, z = {z_1}. But any claim of "emergence" for the relationship of a set to its elements would most likely be discounted as trivial, since the set is defined to be a thing that is fully determined by its elements. Jon Awbrey o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o http://www.cs.bsu.edu/homepages/mighty/history.html o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o