Re: BitPim Digest - Remove Request

To Tim Cupery:

Sorry, I didn't see your email before sending my own response (which took more than ten minutes write). Regardless, in situations like this I prefer to give the other party the benefit of the doubt, and be earnest and helpful. If they are trolling, then I don't give them the satisfaction of an angry response, and more importantly if they are sincerely confused or angry, a helpful response is much more likely to clear up the confusion and leave everyone satisfied than ranting angrily or dismissing their problem as being intentionally hostile without providing help.

In addition, to Auden L. Grumet:

Following Michael Parkison's suggestion, I tried myself sending a message with an empty subject and a body of "help" and nothing else to the bitpim-users-request address. A few minutes later, I got a reply detailing how to send other requests, including subscribing and unsubscribing, manage the list. Your email, either because of the subject or the additional "- remove", must have been seen as not a valid command, and passed through to the mailing list at large. This behavior makes sense for messages other than commands because the digest is sent from the bitpim-users-request address (I also realized that that was the source of the instruction, and I didn't see it because I am subscribed to individual emails instead of a weekly digest), and many people reply directly to the digest. So, for
  example, if someone were to reply with a long message to the group that included the word help, he'd want that to be sent to the bitpim-users mailing list instead of
 having it interpreted as a command to the list server.

If you had sent an email with a body or subject only consisting of "help" instead of containing the word help and a longer message, you would have received more detailed instructions on how to subscribe (incidentally, to remove yourself from the list without using the website, you would use the "unsubscribe" command in place of the "help" command).

Hopefully that clears up where the confusion arose - you were simply mistaken, and both sets of instructions to unsubscribe are valid.

Sincerely,

David Johnson



________________________________
From: Tim Cupery <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 1:50:46 PM
Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] BitPim Digest - Remove Request

How about we assume the guy is a troll, and assume he's smart enough to
understand these things, and just let the issue drop.

(Incidentally I'm a sociologist of religion, who is about to inform the
students in my Religion and Society class about my own religious views
or views about religion.)

On 5/4/2010 4:45 PM, Michael Parkison wrote: 
> 
>LOL. Always interesting how people revert to threatening to sue
>when they don't have the brains to solve a problem themselves! You
>expect us to believe that you're going to get the FCC after a mailing list because you're not
>competent enough to remove yourself from it? You're trying to sound
>threatening and/or smart when you can't do a simple task, and THAT is
>what makes others belittle you, not because they don't have an answer. 
>
>>The problem is that you retaliated against another person's attack
>instead of humbly asking for help, of course they will be disinclined
>to assist you. I apologize for snapping back. I don't intend to offend
>you, it was just to prove the previously stated point. I'm sure a
>lawyer such as yourself wouldn't be offended by something so trivial in
>any case, correct? Now let's see if I can help you out here.
>
>>Click here https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitpim-user >then scroll down to the bottom of the page, enter in your email
>address, then click "Unsubscribe or edit options." From the subsequent
>page, click the "unsubscribe" button, and you will be sent a
>confirmation email. 
>
>>The method you were trying to use would probably work if you used only the word "help" in the subject
>and/or body, nothing else. I haven't tried it on this mailing list
>before, but typically keywords like that generate an automated response
>from a system like this one. The reason yours didn't work is probably
>because you added in more than just the word help. If the list sent out
>automated messages to everyone that had "help" written anywhere in the
>body... well, this is a mailing list mainly for troubleshooting, after
>all. I hope you are able to successfully unsubscribe
>
>>May the Living God bless you, 
>>~Michael Parkison
>
>
>
________________________________
From: >William Roney <[email protected]>
>To: God
><[email protected]>; [email protected]
>Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010
>4:11:16 PM
>Subject: Re:
>[BitPim-user] BitPim Digest - Remove Request
>
>>It also surprises me that Auden being a lawyer an all can't seem to get
>it thru his head that it is not against any CAN SPAM laws if the
>website provides a place to unsubscribe also also in every email sent
>out another place to unsubscribe.
> 
>
>
>signed
>Not God and not even close.
>Jesus was dead but arose on the third day.  You will find the
>truth soon I hope my friend.
>
>
>On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:20 PM, God <[email protected]> >wrote:
>
>LOL. Always
>>interesting how people revert to avoidance tactics and ad hominem attacks
>>when they don't have a real answer/defense!  And I doubt you'll be
>>laughing if I get the FCC/FTC breathing down your neck :) ALG
>>-----
>>>Original Message ----- 
>>>From: [email protected] 
>>>To: [email protected] >>>; [email protected] 
>>>Sent: >>>Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:21 AM
>>>Subject: >>>Re: [BitPim-user] BitPim Digest - Remove Request
>>>Does
>>>anyone have a spare can of hemorroid remover???  Anyone....? 
>>>Beuhler...?
>>>
>>> 
>>>Thank you,
>>>>>>Brian
>>> 
>>>-----Original
>>>Message-----
>>>>>>From: God is Dead, Esq. <[email protected]>
>>>>>>To: John Shutt <[email protected]>; bitpim-user
>>><[email protected]>
>>>>>>Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 10:54 pm
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [BitPim-user] BitPim Digest - Remove Request
>>>
>>>
>>>AND it ALSO >>>states what I quoted below as well, which you completely failed to
>>>address. 
>>> 
>>>Now, as a consumer law
>>>litigation attorney, I don't want to have to start citing to the
>>>CAN-SPAM Act or other consumer/telecommunication laws, but suffice it
>>>to say I expect an accurate and direct response to my inquiry and the
>>>issues raised therein.
>>> 
>>>Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>>Auden L. Grumet, Esq.
>>>www.atlantalawyer.org
>>> 
>>>-----
>>>Original Message ----- 
>>>From: John Shutt 
>>>To: God ; [email protected] 
>>>Sent: >>>April 30, 2010 08:27 PM
>>>Subject: >>>Re: [BitPim-user] BitPim-user Digest, Vol 48,Issue 2 [Help - Remove]
>>>
>>>
>>>At the bottom of each email it says:
>>> 
>>>BitPim-user
>>>mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe
>>>or change options at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitpim-user
>>>
>>>So, go to https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitpim-user and
>>>unsubscribe by going to the bottom of the page, where it says "To unsubscribe from BitPim-user, get a password
>>>reminder, or change your subscription options enter your subscription
>>>email address: " and put in your email address.  If you forgot your
>>>password, request to have it sent to you.
>>> 
>>>John
>>>-----
>>>>Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: God 
>>>>To: Sean Patrick Burke 
>>>>Cc: [email protected] 
>>>>Sent: >>>>Friday, April 30, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>Subject: >>>>Re: [BitPim-user] BitPim-user Digest, Vol 48,Issue 2 [Help - Remove]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Tell me about it! And
>>>>I'm glad you mentioned it, because even God can't discern the meaning
>>>>of the following instructions. Why in the hell (pun intended) would an
>>>>unsubscribe request direct one to send an email "with the subject or
>>>>body 'help' to....."?? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
>>>> 
>>>>God (a/k/a ALG)
>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web,
>>>>>visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitpim-user
>>>>>or, via
>>>>>email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected]
>>>>-----
>>>>>Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: Sean Patrick Burke 
>>>>>To: God ; [email protected] 
>>>>>Sent: >>>>>Friday, April 30, 2010 3:54 PM
>>>>>Subject: >>>>>Re: [BitPim-user] BitPim-user Digest, Vol 48, Issue 2 [Help - Remove]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wow. Out of all the people who you'd think could
>>>>>get himself off the list...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sean Patrick Burke 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:19 PM, "God" <[email protected]>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>Help - remove.

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