Re: useful patches for everyone

> For what concerns me, this discussion is a waste of time and it's over, 
> you're not entitled to decide what's accepted and what's not anyway.

I am not deciding anything, just voicing my oppinion like everyone else. It 
seems you can't handle it though.

Nikos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alejandro Guerrieri" <[email protected]>
To: "Nikos Balkanas" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone


YOU are not helping out. I've collaborated a patch and many people voiced it 
would be useful. You're only trolling as you usually do, instead of doing 
something PRODUCTIVE for a change.

For what concerns me, this discussion is a waste of time and it's over, 
you're not entitled to decide what's accepted and what's not anyway.

Alex, Stipe, I voiced my point and other people agreed as well. It's your 
call either to include it or not, just let me know so I can write the user 
guide part.

Otherwise, it'll remain available in my blog where interested parties could 
download it and apply it.

Regards,
--
Alejandro Guerrieri
[email protected]



On 19/04/2011, at 11:23, Nikos Balkanas wrote:

> I sure will do. But you are not helping out...
>
> Nikos
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Guerrieri" 
> <[email protected]>
> To: "Nikos Balkanas" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>
>
> I think you'll survive ;)
>
> --
> Alejandro Guerrieri
> [email protected]
>
> On 19/04/2011, at 11:12, Nikos Balkanas wrote:
>
>>> If you don't want to use it just ignore it completely, the default 
>>> behavior if the directive is missing is to start the smsc at boot as 
>>> usual, so no > harm's done.
>>
>> This is not the issue. I still have (along with many others) to know 
>> about it in order to support it for users that ask (or not) about it. 
>> This feature by itself is not that much, but cluttering configuration 
>> with non-essential conveniences will add up to make configuration much 
>> more difficult to support than now.
>>
>> BR,
>> Nikos
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Guerrieri" 
>> <[email protected]>
>> To: "Nikos Balkanas" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: "Juan Nin" <[email protected]>; "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>>
>>
>> For KISS's sake, this doesn't clutter configuration nor breaks backwards 
>> compatibility. It doesn't hurt performance either.
>>
>> If you don't want to use it just ignore it completely, the default 
>> behavior if the directive is missing is to start the smsc at boot as 
>> usual, so no harm's done.
>>
>> Where do we trace the "absolutely necessary" line is of course fuzzy, but 
>> from what I read seems like other users would find it useful as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Alejandro Guerrieri
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19/04/2011, at 05:19, Nikos Balkanas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> wapbox must be kept around because of backwards compatibility, that is a 
>>> must for all open source software. Users are still using it.
>>>
>>> Finally I would like to add my support for keeping configuration 
>>> explosion in check. Otherwise, what a few people might gain in 
>>> convenience, a lot of people might have to pay for it in terms of kannel 
>>> support due to more difficult configuration. Some golden rules in 
>>> configuration are:
>>>
>>> 1) KISS
>>> 2) Don't expand it, unless it is absolutely necessary.
>>>
>>> Stopping service to modify configuration is a no-no. Commenting a 
>>> configuration file off-line is convenience.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents,
>>> Nikos
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Nin
>>> To: Kannel Devel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 4:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what we do today, but the idea is not to have to do any "extra" 
>>> work, neither having to comment/uncomment things out, nor have to 
>>> add/remove config files.
>>>
>>>
>>> Having the start-at-boot directive allows you to just keep the 
>>> configuration defined, but the smsc does not start.
>>> So anytime you need it, you just use the start-smsc and then the 
>>> stop-smsc.
>>> This is much cleaner IMHO than having to do all the extra manual work, 
>>> no matter how easy that manual work it may be.
>>>
>>>
>>> A similar discussion was held some months ago, can't remember what new 
>>> directive it was, where the directive was finally added, since it was 
>>> seen it was helpful.
>>> Not all directives are used by everyone or may be useful for everybody, 
>>> that happens on any piece of software, but does not mean it's not 
>>> useful, nor that it should not be added. I don't care about the WAP 
>>> related parts of Kannel for example, and that doesn't mean I believe 
>>> they should not exist. Adding useful things to Kannel is something that 
>>> makes Kannel a better product, so I don't really see why not to add it. 
>>> Maybe if it was something complicated that really messed up with the 
>>> code, could be, but this is definitely not the case.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/4/18 Nikos Balkanas <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> What about the HTTP command start-smsc:
>>>
>>> It reloads the smsc and starts them from configuration. Therefore you 
>>> could have the smsc commented out at start, then enable it in the 
>>> configuration and start it from the web interface, without stooping 
>>> kannel. Is that not adequate?
>>>
>>> BR,
>>> Nikos
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gottgens" 
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> To: "Alvaro Cornejo" <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: "Alexander Malysh" <[email protected]>; "Kannel Devel" 
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:24 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> i second that. Having the ability to start kannel with some of the binds 
>>> down
>>> is so much easier in HA/Failover environments.
>>>
>>> Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:31:05 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> AC> Hi Alex
>>>
>>> AC> Another use would be when having backup links. I do use over 20 
>>> modems
>>> AC> but not have all enabled at start. In order to not to have to reload
>>> AC> kannel when a new modem is needed, I do start kannel and then stop 
>>> all
>>> AC> the backup modems and I have to do the same whenever I restart 
>>> kannel
>>> AC> or the server
>>>
>>> AC> I'll love to have this feature in standard kannel
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Thomas                            mailto:[email protected]
>>>
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