Re: Censorship is becoming ridiculous

On 1/13/21 12:10 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/13/2021 06:54 AM, Wolf K wrote:
>> On 2021-01-13 01:34, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 01/12/2021 09:24 AM, Rinaldi wrote:
>>>> On 1/12/21 10:54 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
>>>>> On 1/12/21 7:33 AM, Hartdonor wrote:
>>>>>> I believe in Liberty. Libertarianism and classical liberalism are
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> cool things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Libertarianism sounds good on paper, but it can lead to situations such
>>>>> as described in the following famous quioe.
>>>>>
>>>>>> First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I
>>>>>> was not a socialist.
>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak
>>>>>> out—Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>> and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for
>>>>>> me—and there was no one left to speak for me
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes you have to be your Brother's Keeper, both  as individuals and
>>>>> as a group.
>>>>>
>>>>> liberalism | ˈlib(ə)rəˌlizəm |
>>>>> noun
>>>>> the holding of liberal views: one of the basic tenets of liberalism is
>>>>> tolerance | the shift from liberalism to radicalism.
>>>>>
>>>>> New Oxford American Dictionary
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, today's liberalism seems to be moving away from
>>>>> tolerance.
>>>
>>> The good kind is now called "classical liberalism".
>>>
>>>> Perhaps the tolerance level has been reached or exceeded?
>>>
>>> I think of it as "a liberal application of government power".
> 
> 1.  I can't have a fence higher than 4 feet in front of my house.
> Moreover, some percentage of it has to be see-through.
> 
> 2.  Forcing a company to jump through hoops defending the EEO suit
> brought by an employee claiming discrimination instead of incompetence
> and refusal to work the hours the job required.
> 
> 3.  Building the useless and outrageously expensive California "bullet
> train" with tax money.
> 
> 4.  Disallowing the use of unused but previously-affixed postage stamps
> -- you know, cutting off the unused stamps on the business-reply
> envelope and gluing them to mail YOU want to send.  This is forbidden.
> 
> 5.  The fact that people (mostly women) who braid hair for a living need
> to be licensed by the State.  Lots more license requirements like that.

Welcome to the liberal point of view.

Patrick Henry said "The Constitution is not a document to restrain the 
people.  It is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."

That's not what you are seeing in the US these days.

>> Frankly, I have no idea any more what you USians mean by "liberal" and
>> "liberalism." And please don't quote or refer to 18th century texts.
>> Language changes. What matters is not how someone defined their
>> concept(s) back then (however instructive their writings may be), but
>> how people use words now. And just as importantly, how they believe
>> those words apply to their and other people's decisions and actions.
>>
>> And apart from "Something I don't like" or "Something I Like", I see no
>> common meaning(s) in the way the terms are used.
>>
>> So, kindly tell me what you mean.
>>
>> With actual, concrete examples of.
> 
> The more I think of that I personally know about, the more pissed-off I
> get :-(
> 
> 


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