Re: Firefox 4 dumbing down?

BJ wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> BJ wrote:
>>> EE wrote:
>>>> I have been looking at the wiki.mozilla.org page at the proposed new 
>>>> interfaces for Firefox 4.  I depend on the menu bar a lot, and would 
>>>> not like that to be removed.  I also use the bookmarks toolbar 
>>>> buttons, and would not like to see those reduced to one button.  On 
>>>> the toolbar, the reload button is not there any more.  I use that 
>>>> quite a bit also.  What is the point of gutting the interface like 
>>>> that anyway?
>>>> Must the developers treat people like kindergarten kids who cannot 
>>>> understand anything that is a bit more complex?
>>> Do the devs look at this NG?  While I wouldn't classify the responses 
>>> here as a "groundswell", they do indeed reflect that some experienced 
>>> users think that FF is going down the wrong path.
>>>
>>> While I wouldn't put myself in the category of "experienced user", 
>>> though I do know my way around an OS (Windows and Ubuntu) and 
>>> browsers, I do in fact agree with all the comments that have been made 
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Is there a way we can communicate these concerns to the devs (not that 
>>> they would listen, but at least if FF goes south, we can say "I told 
>>> you so")
>>>
>>> BJ
>>>
>> They don't listen, and AFAIK, don't care.
> 
> So who do these guys (gals?) listen to?  And who do the ones they listen 
> to listen to . . . and on up the chain?  Somewhere along the line 
> there's got to be some user input, or is it just an individual at the 
> top or some "committee", that channels users through esp?
> 
> BJ
> 
AFAIK they just do whatever occurs to them, within their own little 
circle, and we are supposed to stand up and cheer.  Still, as long as 
they make the system customizable so that I don't have to look at a 
visual clone of IE or Chrome, or (Heaven forbid, Safari), I will stick 
around, unless they eliminate something critical like the bookmarks toolbar.
I think the whole idea is to make the browser as transparent as possible 
so that they can sell online applications, for which I have exactly zero 
use.  Still, that aim, common to Mozilla and Google, seems a lot better 
than MSIE which is merely a vehicle for delivering advertising, and 'media'.