mp3 playback from URL -> stop the flame war, please
jayrope <[email protected]>
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To everyone involved this flame war, please continue your argument outside this list and let's keep this place focussed on Puredata and in a respectful way. Thank you very much, -- jayrope +++ https://jayrope.com https://aircushionfinish.com +++ https://hub.kliklak.net/@jrp On 26.11.24 06:04, [email protected] wrote: > Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: mp3 playback from URL (ydegoyon @gmail.com) > 2. Re: mp3 playback from URL (ydegoyon @gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 03:30:32 +0100 > From: "ydegoyon @gmail.com" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PD] Re: mp3 playback from URL > To: Alexandre Torres Porres <[email protected]> > Cc: Pd-List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="------------80B7505D3C0F0CD1B62AFF27" > > > yeh, get a cure, i'm doing well > > autorship was about *pd OpenCV* if you can't read anything clearly, > and it's mainly from *Luis Gomez i Bigorda* and me if you can't even > remember details. > > at the same time, yes, removing unauthorized from *Deken * > would please me. > > i write in bold so you can remember. > > and we have absolutely whatsover *ANY personal relationship*, > so drop your comments about my attitude. > > yeh, friends told me about the mood in your convention, > and i don't regret i wasn't there, > i don't go in a colony for boyscouts. > > all your old rancors really show that you are sick, not more. > > [email protected] > > Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >> Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com >> <http://gmail.com> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> escreveu:* >>> they can fork it and even thank the author, >>> but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.* >> Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - clearly has >> you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure others know what >> you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by an "unknown >> youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man as to realize we're >> not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are not talking to whoever >> you are accusing of stealing your work without credit. And ohboy, >> you're really trying hard to offend me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I >> got that way into your head. >> >> I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent trait, >> which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above average and it >> masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, the score drops to >> "average". Since you're so interested in my conditions, check this >> diagram >> ... >> (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me). >> >> *> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the >> same license as PiDiP* >> >> I said I cloned from your git <git clone >> http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git>. The license in there, >> in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you changed it, you >> don't seem to have updated it or made new versions based on your new >> license in the "real repository, kept in GISS.tv". >> >> I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't know much >> about it. As I see it, once you release a version with the GPL >> license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. I bet the Pd >> people know a lot about licensing and that is why 'unauthorized' was >> kept in Extended. >> >> You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from somewhere. >> Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not maintaining it. I am >> actually trying to help you understand the situation. We're all on the >> same page that "unauthorized" should not be used. So I hope you >> realize how pointless this discussion is. You don't seem to get things >> even being so smart and after multiple explanations. If it's still >> confusing, I'll just give up. >> >> I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are still >> shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can try and >> reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you can get it out >> of there in the same way you couldn't get it out of Extended. >> >> The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in Vanilla >> via our deken plugin. It was important to have these libraries around >> in a transition phase period when Extended quite unfortunately ceased >> and people were adapting. There are new libraries being maintained and >> with alternatives. Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is >> maintaining it or making new uploads. There's an old version there >> which doesn't even run on newer machines and it has the old license >> and explains how it was forked and even points to your original >> repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a new >> version with the new license so people can install from deken? Can we >> leave it at that? Do you want it out of deken? Under what reasoning? >> >> It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old and >> abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already have >> alternatives for a couple of objects I used from unauthorized, like >> [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE for that). Yeah, I lied I >> "never used it", but I don't consider that using a couple of objects >> when I was using Extended means I actually knew your library. >> >> For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have unauthorized >> cloned, I will look again on what's in there for real, see if >> something is worth having an alternative to. And regarding the topic >> of the thread, I'll investigate more about what we have in Pd >> regarding streaming and will look into adding those things into ELSE >> (and in PlugData by extension). >> >> *> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.* >> >> You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for a >> peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna get >> into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to have mental >> issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm actually changing the >> way I feel about you. >> >> It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree you >> shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people don't have >> to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like you want to >> justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're doing, you're >> actually doubling down. My case differs and, for starters, it's not an >> "illness", they're divergent traits, and I'm not using anything as an >> excuse to justify any rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was >> defending myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid >> or something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an >> illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. Regardless >> of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you. >> >> My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly honest. It >> can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For instance, you were a >> real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare dealing with you all along. >> I regret I invited you, insisted on your coming, paid for your stuff, >> made sure you had all you needed, because at literally the last minute >> you simply missed the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how >> that made me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I >> still am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed >> us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you were >> just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, people can >> just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it out, offer you a >> happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm now having mixed feelings >> and it's true I'm also just sorry to realize you're still struggling >> with whatever haunts you after so many years. >> >> Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this concerns >> the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just some silly >> engagement without a history. On the other hand, you're also coming >> back here and being offensive and rude in general again. You're just >> revisiting how you mistreated people about 14 years ago out of >> nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why I took the stand and had the >> initiative to deal with you and not let you have it easy this time >> around, and push you back if you're just gonna make a scene again. I >> see others have an easier way of handling this and just ignore you. >> That's way harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out. >> >> I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can hold it >> together, as this is what was happening, you were being treated nice, >> after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, I poked you and >> pushed you back cause I don't count on your ability to behave. But if >> I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome back :) anytime! >> >> Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, and >> help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more productive >> approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to exchange. However, if >> that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I guess others won't bother >> much as well. >> >> cheers > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 13094 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 06:03:43 +0100 > From: "ydegoyon @gmail.com" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PD] Re: mp3 playback from URL > To: Alexandre Torres Porres <[email protected]>, Pd-List > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="------------37BFE5128851B92BCFBA19FF" > > you really show the level of discussions here ... > > lower than the gutter, where i puke.. > > i'm aware i wrote off-list but now i put it back on the list to show > your real face. > > i'm mainly laughing of your childish remarks. > > > Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >> Oh boy, are you aware you're writing me off list? Cause you don't seem >> to realize how emails work and you have problems with it :) right >> dumbass? Well, I bet you didn't mean to, you silly person... >> >> I was filtering the emails sent to the pd-list so I wouldn't have to >> deal with you for a while. And I did it correctly and I remembered I >> did it. Unlike you, you fucking pathetic moron, hahahah, that was so >> funny by the way... accusing IOhannes to filter your messages and then >> it turns out it was your fucking filter, ahahahahaha. Well, you are >> very funny, but funny for being ridiculous. >> >> But anyway, here you are, writing to me off list and I'm getting it... >> and I had to check the latest scene the old grumpy man that acts like >> a crying baby or a bitchy teenager was doing now at the list. >> >> You're funny, but you're also sad, again me with mixed feelings. I'm >> still actually sorry for you, and it's even sadder how you don't >> realize you have clear issues. It's sad cause you're hopeless... what >> a sad existence... but also fuck you, right? As you're just an >> annoying sick asshole. And I knew you were going to keep being the >> asshole you've always been, so I'm disengaging from the list >> interaction as promised, and thanks for the opportunity to tell you to >> fuck off in private then <3 I have to say it does feel pretty good to >> tell you to fuck off, you fucking moron <3 >> >> Let's see if someone else will handle you at the list, or if they'll >> just ignore the troll... maybe they'll take "unauthorized" out of >> deken to make you happy and get rid of you, but if you really care >> about people not using unauthorized, I tried telling you this was >> useless. You're so fucking retarded that you don't seem to get it... >> for the last time, you should note that people will still be using >> unauthorized in Pd-L2ork/Purr Data, and you should bug them for that. >> >> At one point I thought about uploading a new version of unauthorized >> to deken just to piss you off, but I've been looking at it, and it's >> such a crappy library, some objects don't even work, others are just >> bad. I guess people were including any crap back in the extended days, >> favoring quantity over quality. It's a good thing Extended died in the >> end, as we can get rid of your stupid code. >> >> Enough attention for you, you must be sad and lonely, desperate for >> attention, but you're now also filtered here... bye bye, fuck you, >> fuck you very very much, please don't stay in touch... >> >> talk to the hand now... >> >> >> Em ter., 26 de nov. de 2024 às 00:06, ydegoyon @gmail.com >> <http://gmail.com> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> escreveu: >> >> >> you know, you are not funny but really >> >> heavy >> heavy >> heavy >> heavy >> >> >> ydegoyon @gmail.com <http://gmail.com> wrote: >>> yeh, get a cure, i'm doing well >>> >>> autorship was about *pd OpenCV* if you can't read anything clearly, >>> and it's mainly from *Luis Gomez i Bigorda* and me if you can't >>> even remember details. >>> >>> at the same time, yes, removing unauthorized from *Deken * >>> would please me. >>> >>> i write in bold so you can remember. >>> >>> and we have absolutely whatsover *ANY personal relationship*, >>> so drop your comments about my attitude. >>> >>> yeh, friends told me about the mood in your convention, >>> and i don't regret i wasn't there, >>> i don't go in a colony for boyscouts. >>> >>> all your old rancors really show that you are sick, not more. >>> >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >>>> Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com >>>> <http://gmail.com> <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:* >>>> > they can fork it and even thank the author, >>>> > but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.* >>>> >>>> Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - >>>> clearly has you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure >>>> others know what you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by >>>> an "unknown youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man >>>> as to realize we're not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are >>>> not talking to whoever you are accusing of stealing your work >>>> without credit. And ohboy, you're really trying hard to offend >>>> me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I got that way into your head. >>>> >>>> I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent >>>> trait, which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above >>>> average and it masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, >>>> the score drops to "average". Since you're so interested in my >>>> conditions, check this diagram >>>> ... >>>> (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me). >>>> >>>> *> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have >>>> the same license as PiDiP* >>>> >>>> I said I cloned from your git <git clone >>>> http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git>. The license in >>>> there, in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you >>>> changed it, you don't seem to have updated it or made new >>>> versions based on your new license in the "real repository, kept >>>> in GISS.tv". >>>> >>>> I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't >>>> know much about it. As I see it, once you release a version with >>>> the GPL license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. >>>> I bet the Pd people know a lot about licensing and that is why >>>> 'unauthorized' was kept in Extended. >>>> >>>> You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from >>>> somewhere. Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not >>>> maintaining it. I am actually trying to help you understand the >>>> situation. We're all on the same page that "unauthorized" should >>>> not be used. So I hope you realize how pointless this discussion >>>> is. You don't seem to get things even being so smart and after >>>> multiple explanations. If it's still confusing, I'll just give up. >>>> >>>> I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are >>>> still shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can >>>> try and reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you >>>> can get it out of there in the same way you couldn't get it out >>>> of Extended. >>>> >>>> The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in >>>> Vanilla via our deken plugin. It was important to have these >>>> libraries around in a transition phase period when Extended >>>> quite unfortunately ceased and people were adapting. There are >>>> new libraries being maintained and with alternatives. >>>> Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is maintaining it or >>>> making new uploads. There's an old version there which doesn't >>>> even run on newer machines and it has the old license and >>>> explains how it was forked and even points to your original >>>> repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a >>>> new version with the new license so people can install >>>> from deken? Can we leave it at that? Do you want it out of >>>> deken? Under what reasoning? >>>> >>>> It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old >>>> and abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already >>>> have alternatives for a couple of objects I used from >>>> unauthorized, like [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE >>>> for that). Yeah, I lied I "never used it", but I don't consider >>>> that using a couple of objects when I was using Extended means >>>> I actually knew your library. >>>> >>>> For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have >>>> unauthorized cloned, I will look again on what's in there for >>>> real, see if something is worth having an alternative to. And >>>> regarding the topic of the thread, I'll investigate more about >>>> what we have in Pd regarding streaming and will look into adding >>>> those things into ELSE (and in PlugData by extension). >>>> >>>> *> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.* >>>> >>>> You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for >>>> a peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna >>>> get into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to >>>> have mental issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm >>>> actually changing the way I feel about you. >>>> >>>> It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree >>>> you shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people >>>> don't have to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like >>>> you want to justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're >>>> doing, you're actually doubling down. My case differs and, for >>>> starters, it's not an "illness", they're divergent traits, and >>>> I'm not using anything as an excuse to justify any >>>> rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was defending >>>> myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid or >>>> something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an >>>> illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. >>>> Regardless of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you. >>>> >>>> My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly >>>> honest. It can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For >>>> instance, you were a real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare >>>> dealing with you all along. I regret I invited you, insisted on >>>> your coming, paid for your stuff, made sure you had all you >>>> needed, because at literally the last minute you simply missed >>>> the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how that made >>>> me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I still >>>> am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed >>>> us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you >>>> were just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, >>>> people can just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it >>>> out, offer you a happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm >>>> now having mixed feelings and it's true I'm also just sorry to >>>> realize you're still struggling with whatever haunts you after >>>> so many years. >>>> >>>> Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this >>>> concerns the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just >>>> some silly engagement without a history. On the other hand, >>>> you're also coming back here and being offensive and rude in >>>> general again. You're just revisiting how you mistreated people >>>> about 14 years ago out of nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why >>>> I took the stand and had the initiative to deal with you and not >>>> let you have it easy this time around, and push you back if >>>> you're just gonna make a scene again. I see others have an >>>> easier way of handling this and just ignore you. That's way >>>> harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out. >>>> >>>> I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can >>>> hold it together, as this is what was happening, you were being >>>> treated nice, after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, >>>> I poked you and pushed you back cause I don't count on your >>>> ability to behave. But if I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome >>>> back :) anytime! >>>> >>>> Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, >>>> and help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more >>>> productive approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to >>>> exchange. However, if that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I >>>> guess others won't bother much as well. >>>> >>>> cheers > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 21314 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Pd-list Digest, Vol 236, Issue 36 > **************************************** --- [email protected] - the Pure Data mailinglist https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/IV77LHCY5KJCZO2FNUZFOX2YZXCPZWRF/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.iem.at/