Re: Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing

  Hi Charles,

I'm not Stefan, but I will try to answer:

You and some other made a quite clear statement and move. I acknowledge 
the that I receiced that your way is not longer my way. I'm sorry about 
this but I accept your decision say farewell. Now you're requesting a 
dialog started by me and I'm confused. If things have changed on your 
side, please let me know.

Martin

Am 06.10.2010 19:39, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> Hello Stefan,
>
>
> Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:09:02 +0200,
> Martin Hollmichel<[email protected]>  a écrit :
>
>>    Gi,
>>
>> Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
>>> Hello Martin,
>>>
>>> Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200,
>>> Martin Hollmichel<[email protected]>   a écrit :
>>>
>>>>     Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34:
>>>>>
>>>>>> despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for
>>>>>> OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the
>>>>>> Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would
>>>>>> like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of
>>>>>> the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event.
>>>>> I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current
>>>>> things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting
>>>>> money from the budget.
>>>> Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other
>>>> project which had so far also a seat in the community council
>>>> (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for
>>>> others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will
>>>> look into this request asap,
>>> If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I
>>> don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on
>>> OpenOffice.org
>> sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the
>> community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community
>> member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent.
> But Stefan, here's what's really appalling: all the members of the CC
> who do not work for Oracle choose to go, and you call that a fork, file
> and rank it in the fork category as if everything was normal. That is a
> serious lack of...interest/pedagogy/feeling/ and many other things.
>
> On the other hand, I'm not saying that I and others are going to
> continue at the CC as if nothing has ever happened. I/we will leave,
> but please do yourself a favour, don't act as if you're kicking us out,
> please do favour the dialogue first.
>
>> but I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different
>> project and no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both
>> projects. for me this a classic example for a conflict of interest.
>>> Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the
>>> dialogue as it is now. Please advise.
>>>
>> sorry, must be my German mentality:  ("Bestimmte Sachen tut man
>> einfach nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit
>> Anstand zu tun") Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally
>> allowed. It's a matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also
>> good pratice, when in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you
>> inform your partners in advance and ask for their opinion,
> Conflict of interests are indeed not something we wish for. But I
> disagree that my personal integrity or the one of the TDF members are
> at stake here: our community is so disfunctional and so broken (before
> TDF) that we knew we had no option but going forward. German mentality
> as well: fix everything that's broken, and don't let it linger .
>
> Best,
> Charles.
>
>
>> But I'm looking forward what others will say about this.
>>> best,
>>> Charles.
>>>
>> Martin
>>
>>>> Martin
>
>
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