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--000e0cd4d84e00615504a406416b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The areas where some clarity would be useful (to put it mildly) include: license, ownership of copyright, developer resources, and so >on and so forth. Are there any discussions / decisions regarding this? On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]>wr= ote: > Well I guess this is more than what I expect from a ping, and had silently > followed the discussion. I have also talked with community developers of = OOo > (non oracle employees that work on the OOo project). And have discussed O= Oos > future and also internal systems that now seems to be like a being in an > isolated chamber of a sinking ship. Sure you are isolated from the noise, > but the whole infrastructure is starting to come to a halt. > > The issue here is how much of the infrastructure really depend on Oracle's > infrastructure where admins stop managing the process and build machines > stop producing new builds. > > At the same time, I do share some of the views on how to move forward. My > personal view (which is not set in stone) is that OOo will need to either > start generating infrastructure on the hands of the community and out of > Oracle's management. > > I do have my questions regarding the whole topic of money, sure we do need > money, but I doubt we need 10m like louis mentions. I also doubt is worth= to > do mostly a maintenance. And have been looking the other way which is > dismantle the software, re-engineer the processes on more modern language > and be able to adapt pieces of it to more flexible paradigm of developmen= t. > > Other teams like Mozilla did this with Mozilla's original browser. And co= st > around 2 years of quiet period and just minor releases until Firefox came= to > town. > > OOo has very old html engine, very old graphic engine and also seems that > most of the efforts in the past (UX, www-at-odf) didn't really make an > impact on the application. I don't think this was a lack of will but rath= er > a lack of communication between the company to recruit contributions. I > think one big fault of OOo is the lack of power to consolidate contributi= ons > from developers."The year of the developer" never really came and we are > still stuck on thinking money first and code second. Which is what I think > leadership should shift to a more development centric manner. > > > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> All, >> >> The OpenOffice.org Community is obviously in a state of change. I think= a >> crucial element to us all moving ahead is to establish and then act on, = in >> good faith, those areas where we=97OOo and LO communities (aspects of th= e same >> thing) can work together and reconcile differences. >> >> Let me start by stating that we, Stefan Taxhet, Andr=E9 Schnabel, Florian >> Effenberger, and I, will be holding a teleconference later this week to >> further put into place those things that need to be done to move ahead. >> >> The Most Important Thing from my perspective, is that the broader >> community understand that they are contributing to building this togethe= r, >> and coupled to that, that our users, public sector as well as individual >> consumers, and private companies big and small, have the confidence to >> continue using ODF implementations based on OpenOffice.org source. >> >> I think that all of us here in OOo-land appreciate the problems OOo was >> born with and never really corrected, and that these relate as much to h= ow >> code and other contributions are encouraged and also accepted (or not). = And >> I think that to move forward, especially now in light of Oracle's 15 Apr= il >> announcement, means that we can re-evaluate elemental procedures so that= the >> overall community can work together. >> >> But the basic issues I referred to before still apply=97money, in short= =97and >> on that subject, we need to hold fire and be patient. There are numerous >> unknowns circulating, still. However, we can, and we shall, in the >> meanwhile, talk. >> >> To reiterate: My personal goal is to have a community project whose >> identity is not a proxy for this or that company but the unique ensemble= of >> all its contributors, bound together by a common goal of building the be= st >> and most universally usable set of productivity tools implementing the O= DF. >> And that we look to the future while tending to the present: satisfy the >> needs of the desktop users but cock an eye to the sky and imagine ODF >> implementations that freely move us into Cloud. >> >> -louis >> >> >> On 2011-05-20, at 14:03 , Bernhard Dippold wrote: >> >> > Hi Louis, all, >> > >> > it is great, that you still feel responsible for the OOo community - >> > even if the way you perform this responsibility causes some thoughts... >> > >> > You have been Sun's OpenOffice.org Community Manager >> > and later on Oracle's Community Manager until you left Oracle >> > some months ago. >> > >> > As far as I know this post has never been open for election by the >> > community, it has been given to you by your former >> > employer and I don't know about it's validity after you left Oracle. >> > >> > But I want to address you as OpenOffice org community member - a >> community I myself feel affiliated for more than six years. >> > >> > Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: >> >> >> >>> I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but >> >>> wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice >> >>> people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a >> >>> simple logical point of view. >> > >> > A split had to be accepted when the foundation had been set up, but TDF >> > has always been open to any contributor and invited not only Oracle but >> > all the people hesitant to join a broader basis with less influence by >> > single companies. >> > >> >>> Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about >> >>> possibilities without any commitment on either side can't do any >> >>> harm. >> > >> > I fully support any discussion between OOo and TDF community members. >> > In my opinion our split community can be reunited quite easily, if >> > everybody looks for the goals she/he has with our office suite and how >> > we can achieve them. >> > >> >>> Maybe this is already happening? >> > >> > In an open community (or if you prefer: among two open communities) th= is >> > should done on the mailing lists, so thank you for this question. >> > >> > Actually I hope that there will be more friendly discussion among TDF >> and OOo community members, leading to the perception of positive interac= tion >> and common goals. >> >> >> >> Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of >> >> stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced >> >> OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of >> >> reconciliation. >> > >> > Sorry, not being a native speaker, I can't really understand what you'= re >> > talking about - and Google translator doesn't help very much either. >> > >> > So you mean that the time where Florian was "persona non grata" for >> > OpenOffice.org is over, because Oracle dropped commercial support for >> > the community? >> > >> > And does reconciliation mean that you start to imagine, that the TDF >> > founders might have been right in working on the ten year old vision of >> > an independent foundation *before* Oracle might drop any support for t= he >> > community? >> > >> > We still don't know if dropping commercial support means to close the >> > entire infrastructure and sell the trademark to somebody else (I still >> > hope they don't, but it is a monetary issue, and Oracle is said to be >> > aware of costs and money). >> > >> > Without the Document Foundation our community's situation would be even >> > more problematic. >> > >> > It took several months to create a working infrastructure - of course >> > there are tasks not finished by now, but the infrastructure is able to >> provide the product for download and support the community in their work. >> > >> >> To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, >> >> not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by >> >> the larger community. >> > >> > Every now and then during the last 10 years there have been personal >> differences, but they have always been considered less relevant than the >> work we did and still do for our community. >> > >> > Code development is done by the larger community. >> > >> > While the gap created by the uncertainties after the Oracle announceme= nt >> > seems to get broader and broader with no visible release activities >> > after beta1 for OOo3.4.0 (two days before this announcement), the >> > community developers working on LibreOffice removed bugs (even quite >> > visible bugs) on their version, so the development is going on. >> > >> > >> >> What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is >> >> of some debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. >> > >> > Right. We need corporate contributors. Some of the already contribute = to >> > LibreOffice, overcoming the hindrances of one main contributor with >> > nearly unlimited control. >> > >> >> We need, that is, far more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single >> >> company can probably provide. >> > >> > LibreOffice and TDF are no company, they just do, what we should have >> > done earlier in the past: Provide a basis where contributors can do >> > their work, where companies and corporations can share their interest, >> > but know that none of them will have the force to define any rules or >> > modify the foundations mission. >> > >> > Based on this ideas, TDF raised 50.000 Euro (mainly by small donations= - >> > probably users and small companies) in only 8 days. >> > >> > Imagine large corporations start to support the community, because they >> > don't have to fear the influence of any single main sponsor - provide >> > money, code contributors, helping out the community with other issues.= .. >> > >> >> Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, >> >> distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of >> >> legacy. >> > >> > It's a challenge - but based on the efforts the community already did = by >> > creating TDF it is much more likely to be achieved than if the few >> > people staying here try to raise such an amount on their own. >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community effort," still >> >> needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. >> >> It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, >> >> working on the code, so that it can be reliably produced, and >> >> satisfy the most demanding expectations. >> > >> > Right - that's what is done with LibreOffice. >> >> >> >> Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to >> >> represent OOo at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I >> >> can, as energetically as I can, to the world. >> > >> > You drive what? >> > >> > You still try to make the world believe that LibreOffice is nothing but >> > Novell's contribution to Microsoft's universe because there is a very >> > small area of code development based on a contract among them. >> > >> > You don't do ODF and the entire FOSS ecosystem a favor if you declare, >> > that there would be no reliable alternative to MS Office anymore for >> > people fearing that the lack of activity in the OOo project might cause >> > their adoption to fail. >> > >> >> I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do have my share of >> >> doubts; >> > >> > What you tell us here and in your blog, is much more than animus - >> > please see below. >> > >> >> but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, its goal, of >> >> providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools there >> >> are to the most people. >> > >> > My goals have not changed during the last years, and I'm not alone - >> > there is a large number of community members having spent hundreds or >> > thousands of hours in their spare time for this community and its goal= s. >> > >> > But we don't insist on the name - it's the community's spirit that liv= es >> on. >> > >> > Create and maintain the best open source office productivity suite. >> > >> > Be part of the community that stands behind this suite and have >> > influence by real merit: Every community member contributing for more >> > than just a short period is able to elect the Board of Directors and be >> > elected to it. >> > >> >> >> >> -louis >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> [...] >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> [...] >> >>>> >> >>>> It is not even the case that other projects using OOo technology >> >>>> have that much greater insight. They do not. >> > >> > This clearly addresses LibreOffice and TDF. >> > >> >>>> They may have more activity, but absent the energy of >> >>>> production, there is no production of energy. >> > >> > And you tell the world that there would not be productive work over >> there? >> > >> > Together with the accusations against the Novell employees, ignorance = of >> > the large number of other developers, and repeatedly mentioning your >> > "doubts" about LibreOffice you create an image that doesn't describes >> > you as possible contact for reconciliation and re-unification of our >> > large community. >> > >> > If Oracle wants to drop support for the infrastructure and code >> > development (and I can't understand the cessation of the release cycle >> > and the mailing list migration differently), this will be the only way >> > to survive as the open source alternative to MS Office: >> > >> > Coordinate and integrate the community's work in both parts of the >> > community back to the open and integrative community I love to work for >> > during the last 6 years. >> > >> > But you are not the person I want to be represented by. >> > I want to work together with the entire community in order to overcome >> > this very dangerous situation not only for OpenOffice.org, but for the >> > broader FOSS community and their acceptance in public too. >> > >> > Your comments, blogs and interviews don't show any integrative ideas, >> > but try to damage LibreOffice and TDF on different levels instead of >> > using the unique chance to re-unite our community leading to the highe= st >> > strength and best position for our office suite in the current tangled >> > situation. >> > >> > Best regards >> > >> > Bernhard >> > >> > PS: You probably know that I neither have any formal role in the OOo >> community nor in TDF. This mail is just my personal opinion as community >> member trying to further our office suite in any way I can. >> > -- >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] >> > For additional commands send email to [email protected] >> > with Subject: help >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] >> For additional commands send email to [email protected] >> with Subject: help >> > > > > -- > *Alexandro Colorado* > *OpenOffice.org* Espa=F1ol > http://es.openoffice.org > > --=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] For additional commands send email to [email protected] with Subject: help --000e0cd4d84e00615504a406416b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>> The areas where some clarity would be useful (to put it mildly) i= nclude: license, ownership of copyright, developer resources, and so >on= and so forth.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Are there any discussions=A0/ decisions regarding=A0this?=A0=A0</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>=A0</div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Alexandro Colo= rado <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"= _blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Well I guess this is more than w= hat I expect from a ping, and had silently followed the discussion. I have = also talked with community developers of OOo (non oracle employees that wor= k on the OOo project). And have discussed OOos future and also internal sys= tems that now seems to be like a being in an isolated chamber of a sinking = ship. Sure you are isolated from the noise, but the whole infrastructure is= starting to come to a halt. <br> <br>The issue here is how much of the infrastructure really depend on Oracl= e's infrastructure where admins stop managing the process and build mac= hines stop producing new builds. <br><br>At the same time, I do share some = of the views on how to move forward. My personal view (which is not set in = stone) is that OOo will need to either start generating infrastructure on t= he hands of the community and out of Oracle's management.<br> <br>I do have my questions regarding the whole topic of money, sure we do n= eed money, but I doubt we need 10m like louis mentions. I also doubt is wor= th to do mostly a maintenance. And have been looking the other way which is= dismantle the software, re-engineer the processes on more modern language = and be able to adapt pieces of it to more flexible paradigm of development.= <br> <br>Other teams like Mozilla did this with Mozilla's original browser. = And cost around 2 years of quiet period and just minor releases until Firef= ox came to town. <br><br>OOo has very old html engine, very old graphic eng= ine and also seems that most of the efforts in the past (UX, www-at-odf) di= dn't really make an impact on the application. I don't think this w= as a lack of will but rather a lack of communication between the company to= recruit contributions. I think one big fault of OOo is the lack of power t= o consolidate contributions from developers."The year of the developer= " never really came and we are still stuck on thinking money first and= code second. Which is what I think leadership should shift to a more devel= opment centric manner. <br> <div> <div></div> <div><br><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Louis Suarez-Po= tts <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0= pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">All,<br><br>The Open= Office.org Community is obviously in a state of change. =A0I think a crucia= l element to us all moving ahead is to establish and then act on, in good f= aith, those areas where we=97OOo and LO communities (aspects of the same th= ing) can work together and reconcile differences.<br> <br>Let me start by stating that we, Stefan Taxhet, Andr=E9 Schnabel, Flori= an Effenberger, and I, will be holding a teleconference later this week to = further put into place those things that need to be done to move ahead.<br> <br>The Most Important Thing from my perspective, is that the broader commu= nity understand that they are contributing to building this together, and c= oupled to that, that our users, public sector as well as individual consume= rs, and private companies big and small, have the confidence to continue us= ing ODF implementations based on OpenOffice.org source.<br> <br>I think that all of us here in OOo-land appreciate the problems OOo was= born with and never really corrected, and that these relate as much to how= code and other contributions are encouraged and also accepted (or not). = =A0And I think that to move forward, especially now in light of Oracle'= s 15 April announcement, means that we can re-evaluate elemental procedures= so that the overall community can work together.<br> <br>But the basic issues I referred to before still apply=97money, in short= =97and on that subject, we need to hold fire and be patient. There are nume= rous unknowns circulating, still. However, we can, and we shall, in the mea= nwhile, talk.<br> <br>To reiterate: My personal goal is to have a community project whose ide= ntity is not a proxy for this or that company but the unique ensemble of al= l its contributors, bound together by a common goal of building the best an= d most universally usable set of productivity tools implementing the ODF. A= nd that we look to the future while tending to the present: satisfy the nee= ds of the desktop users but cock an eye to the sky and imagine ODF implemen= tations that freely move us into Cloud.<br> <font color=3D"#888888"><br>-louis<br></font> <div> <div></div> <div><br><br>On 2011-05-20, at 14:03 , Bernhard Dippold wrote:<br><br>> = Hi Louis, all,<br>><br>> it is great, that you still feel responsible= for the OOo community -<br>> even if the way you perform this responsib= ility causes some thoughts...<br> ><br>> You have been Sun's OpenOffice.org Community Manager<br>&g= t; and later on Oracle's Community Manager until you left Oracle<br>>= ; some months ago.<br>><br>> As far as I know this post has never bee= n open for election by the<br> > community, it has been given to you by your former<br>> employer an= d I don't know about it's validity after you left Oracle.<br>><b= r>> But I want to address you as OpenOffice org community member - a com= munity I myself feel affiliated for more than six years.<br> ><br>> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:<br>>> Hi,<br>>><br>>&= gt; On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote:<br>>><br>>>> = I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but<br>>>>= ; wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice<br> >>> people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a<= br>>>> simple logical point of view.<br>><br>> A split had t= o be accepted when the foundation had been set up, but TDF<br>> has alwa= ys been open to any contributor and invited not only Oracle but<br> > all the people hesitant to join a broader basis with less influence by= <br>> single companies.<br>><br>>>> Ok, there are emotional = wounds to heal but talking about<br>>>> possibilities without any = commitment on either side can't do any<br> >>> harm.<br>><br>> I fully support any discussion between O= Oo and TDF community members.<br>> In my opinion our split community can= be reunited quite easily, if<br>> everybody looks for the goals she/he = has with our office suite and how<br> > we can achieve them.<br>><br>>>> Maybe this is already hap= pening?<br>><br>> In an open community (or if you prefer: among two o= pen communities) this<br>> should done on the mailing lists, so thank yo= u for this question.<br> ><br>> Actually I hope that there will be more friendly discussion am= ong TDF and OOo community members, leading to the perception of positive in= teraction and common goals.<br>>><br>>> Actually, Florian and I= are discussing that exactly. The days of<br> >> stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounc= ed<br>>> OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of<b= r>>> reconciliation.<br>><br>> Sorry, not being a native speake= r, I can't really understand what you're<br> > talking about - and Google translator doesn't help very much eithe= r.<br>><br>> So you mean that the time where Florian was "person= a non grata" for<br>> OpenOffice.org is over, because Oracle droppe= d commercial support for<br> > the community?<br>><br>> And does reconciliation mean that you s= tart to imagine, that the TDF<br>> founders might have been right in wor= king on the ten year old vision of<br>> an independent foundation *befor= e* Oracle might drop any support for the<br> > community?<br>><br>> We still don't know if dropping commerc= ial support means to close the<br>> entire infrastructure and sell the t= rademark to somebody else (I still<br>> hope they don't, but it is a= monetary issue, and Oracle is said to be<br> > aware of costs and money).<br>><br>> Without the Document Founda= tion our community's situation would be even<br>> more problematic.<= br>><br>> It took several months to create a working infrastructure -= of course<br> > there are tasks not finished by now, but the infrastructure is able to= provide the product for download and support the community in their work.<= br>><br>>> To be sure, there are still personal differences. These= are, to me,<br> >> not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code b= y<br>>> the larger community.<br>><br>> Every now and then duri= ng the last 10 years there have been personal differences, but they have al= ways been considered less relevant than the work we did and still do for ou= r community.<br> ><br>> Code development is done by the larger community.<br>><br>&= gt; While the gap created by the uncertainties after the Oracle announcemen= t<br>> seems to get broader and broader with no visible release activiti= es<br> > after beta1 for OOo3.4.0 (two days before this announcement), the<br>&= gt; community developers working on LibreOffice removed bugs (even quite<br= >> visible bugs) on their version, so the development is going on.<br> ><br>><br>>> What counts, what makes up, what comprises that la= rger community is<br>>> of some debate. We need a lot of money to dev= elop the code.<br>><br>> Right. We need corporate contributors. Some = of the already contribute to<br> > LibreOffice, overcoming the hindrances of one main contributor with<br= >> nearly unlimited control.<br>><br>>> We need, that is, far m= ore than LibreOffice or TDF or any single<br>>> company can probably = provide.<br> ><br>> LibreOffice and TDF are no company, they just do, what we shou= ld have<br>> done earlier in the past: Provide a basis where contributor= s can do<br>> their work, where companies and corporations can share the= ir interest,<br> > but know that none of them will have the force to define any rules or<= br>> modify the foundations mission.<br>><br>> Based on this ideas= , TDF raised 50.000 Euro (mainly by small donations -<br>> probably user= s and small companies) in only 8 days.<br> ><br>> Imagine large corporations start to support the community, bec= ause they<br>> don't have to fear the influence of any single main s= ponsor - provide<br>> money, code contributors, helping out the communit= y with other issues...<br> ><br>>> Figure more than 10M USD/annum. =A0That's to develop t= he code, test it,<br>>> distribute it, and move ahead into areas that= go beyond the limits of<br>>> legacy.<br>><br>> It's a cha= llenge - but based on the efforts the community already did by<br> > creating TDF it is much more likely to be achieved than if the few<br>= > people staying here try to raise such an amount on their own.<br>>&= gt;<br>>> Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community ef= fort," still<br> >> needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per = se.<br>>> It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way= or another,<br>>> working on the code, so that it can be reliably pr= oduced, and<br> >> satisfy the most demanding expectations.<br>><br>> Right - t= hat's what is done with LibreOffice.<br>>><br>>> Meanwhile,= I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to<br>>> represent OO= o at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I<br> >> can, as energetically as I can, to the world.<br>><br>> You = drive what?<br>><br>> You still try to make the world believe that Li= breOffice is nothing but<br>> Novell's contribution to Microsoft'= ;s universe because there is a very<br> > small area of code development based on a contract among them.<br>>= <br>> You don't do ODF and the entire FOSS ecosystem a favor if you = declare,<br>> that there would be no reliable alternative to MS Office a= nymore for<br> > people fearing that the lack of activity in the OOo project might caus= e<br>> their adoption to fail.<br>><br>>> I have no animus towa= rd LibreOffice, though I do have my share of<br>>> doubts;<br>><br> > What you tell us here and in your blog, is much more than animus -<br>= > please see below.<br>><br>>> but my spirit is stamped with OO= o, its community, its goal, of<br>>> providing reliable and reliably,= the best productivity tools there<br> >> are to the most people.<br>><br>> My goals have not changed = during the last years, and I'm not alone -<br>> there is a large num= ber of community members having spent hundreds or<br>> thousands of hour= s in their spare time for this community and its goals.<br> ><br>> But we don't insist on the name - it's the community&#= 39;s spirit that lives on.<br>><br>> Create and maintain the best ope= n source office productivity suite.<br>><br>> Be part of the communit= y that stands behind this suite and have<br> > influence by real merit: Every community member contributing for more<= br>> than just a short period is able to elect the Board of Directors an= d be<br>> elected to it.<br>><br>>><br>>> -louis<br>>&= gt;<br> >><br>>>><br>>>> [...]<br>>>><br>>>&= gt; On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts<br>>>> <= ;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">lsuarezpotts@g= mail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >>>> [...]<br>>>>><br>>>>> It is not ev= en the case that other projects using OOo technology<br>>>>> ha= ve that much greater insight. They do not.<br>><br>> This clearly add= resses LibreOffice and TDF.<br> ><br>>>>> They may have more activity, but absent the energy= of<br>>>>> production, there is no production of energy.<br>&g= t;<br>> And you tell the world that there would not be productive work o= ver there?<br> ><br>> Together with the accusations against the Novell employees, ig= norance of<br>> the large number of other developers, and repeatedly men= tioning your<br>> "doubts" about LibreOffice you create an ima= ge that doesn't describes<br> > you as possible contact for reconciliation and re-unification of our<b= r>> large community.<br>><br>> If Oracle wants to drop support for= the infrastructure and code<br>> development (and I can't understan= d the cessation of the release cycle<br> > and the mailing list migration differently), this will be the only way= <br>> to survive as the open source alternative to MS Office:<br>><br= >> Coordinate and integrate the community's work in both parts of th= e<br> > community back to the open and integrative community I love to work fo= r<br>> during the last 6 years.<br>><br>> But you are not the pers= on I want to be represented by.<br>> I want to work together with the en= tire community in order to overcome<br> > this very dangerous situation not only for OpenOffice.org, but for the= <br>> broader FOSS community and their acceptance in public too.<br>>= <br>> Your comments, blogs and interviews don't show any integrative= ideas,<br> > but try to damage LibreOffice and TDF on different levels instead of<b= r>> using the unique chance to re-unite our community leading to the hig= hest<br>> strength and best position for our office suite in the current= tangled<br> > situation.<br>><br>> Best regards<br>><br>> Bernhard<br>&g= t;<br>> PS: You probably know that I neither have any formal role in the= OOo community nor in TDF. This mail is just my personal opinion as communi= ty member trying to further our office suite in any way I can.<br> > --<br>> -----------------------------------------------------------= ------<br>> To unsubscribe send email to <a href=3D"mailto:dev-unsubscri= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= enoffice.org</a><br> > For additional commands send email to <a href=3D"mailto:sympa@marketin= g.openoffice.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br>&= gt; with Subject: help<br><br>--<br>---------------------------------------= --------------------------<br> To unsubscribe send email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= enoffice.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a= ><br>For additional commands send email to <a href=3D"mailto:sympa@marketin= g.openoffice.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> with Subject: help<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">= <br></div></div>-- <br> <div> <div></div> <div><b>Alexandro Colorado</b><br><b><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(0,0,153)">Op= en</span><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">Office.org</span></b> Espa=F1ol<= br><a href=3D"http://es.openoffice.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://es.openof= fice.org</a><br> <br></div></div></blockquote></div><br> --000e0cd4d84e00615504a406416b--