[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project

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"This means IBM and any other Apache OpenOffice.org project member can
innovate the heck out the source code and not be obligated to give back to
the mainline OpenOffice.org code, since the ASL is a non-copyleft license.
IBM and other OpenOffice.org contributors will also be able to re-license
OpenOffice.org code under any license they want, including a proprietary
license, should they wish."

http://www.itworld.com/software/170521/big-winner-apache-openofficeorg



On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Simon Brouwer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Bernhard,
>
> I asked about it in the [email protected] mailing list, where
> the proposal is being discussed, in the thread "OpenOffice and the ASF"
>
> The answers I'm getting are promising. Unfortunately it appears to take a
> short while before messages are visible in the mailing list archives, so
> they cannot be read there yet.
>
> In any case in Apache there are several prominent members who have never
> committed a line of code, and it should be no problem to be recognized for
> contribution that "does not have to be checked in".
>
> So if you feel you are a significant contributor to OpenOffice.org in any
> way you should be welcome to add your name in the table of initial
> committers. I also recommend subscribing to [email protected].
>
> Best regards
> Simon
>
>
> Please make sure that Apache Software Foundation gets notice about the
>> large area of non-coding community in our projects.
>>
>> As far as I know, their meritocratic system is only based on code
>> contribution, so none of the other community members will be able to become
>> part of the OpenOffice Apache project or the Apache community, if they don't
>> change the way they handle contributions.
>>
>> So if you start to be involved in their decision making process, please
>> describe them the broadness of our community.
>>
>> While Rob Weir (IBM) seems to have an interest in dividing the community
>> in a Apache based coding community and a different supporting one (outside
>> Apache, no mention about their infrastructure), I don't think that this
>> should be the way to go.
>>
>> The question of giving up LGPL for the Apache license might be a marketing
>> topic too:
>>
>> As this would allow companies to just take the code and include their
>> patches in their own commercial product only, support of the common code
>> basis might be reduced in future.
>>
>> ... Especially as open source enthusiastic developers (mostly independent
>> or related to Linux distributions) have told us over and over again that
>> they feel exploited by such commercial interests without getting something
>> back...
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Bernhard
>>
>
>
> --
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Simon Brouwer.
>
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<div>&quot;This means IBM and any other Apache OpenOffice.org project membe=
r can innovate the heck out the source code and not be obligated to give ba=
ck to the mainline OpenOffice.org code, since the ASL is a non-copyleft lic=
ense. IBM and other OpenOffice.org contributors will also be able to re-lic=
ense OpenOffice.org code under any license they want, including a proprieta=
ry license, should they wish.&quot;</div>

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<div><a href=3D"http://www.itworld.com/software/170521/big-winner-apache-op=
enofficeorg" target=3D"_blank">http://www.itworld.com/software/170521/big-w=
inner-apache-openofficeorg</a></div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Simon Brouwer <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Hi Bernhard,<br><br>I asked abou=
t it in the <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email protected]</a> mailing list, where the proposal is bei=
ng discussed, in the thread &quot;OpenOffice and the ASF&quot;<br>
<br>The answers I&#39;m getting are promising. Unfortunately it appears to =
take a short while before messages are visible in the mailing list archives=
, so they cannot be read there yet.<br><br>In any case in Apache there are =
several prominent members who have never committed a line of code, and it s=
hould be no problem to be recognized for contribution that &quot;does not h=
ave to be checked in&quot;.<br>
<br>So if you feel you are a significant contributor to OpenOffice.org in a=
ny way you should be welcome to add your name in the table of initial commi=
tters. I also recommend subscribing to <a href=3D"mailto:general@incubator.=
apache.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>.<br>
<br>Best regards<br><font color=3D"#888888">Simon</font>=20
<div><br><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Please make sure that Apache Sof=
tware Foundation gets notice about the large area of non-coding community i=
n our projects.<br>
<br>As far as I know, their meritocratic system is only based on code contr=
ibution, so none of the other community members will be able to become part=
 of the OpenOffice Apache project or the Apache community, if they don&#39;=
t change the way they handle contributions.<br>
<br>So if you start to be involved in their decision making process, please=
 describe them the broadness of our community.<br><br>While Rob Weir (IBM) =
seems to have an interest in dividing the community in a Apache based codin=
g community and a different supporting one (outside Apache, no mention abou=
t their infrastructure), I don&#39;t think that this should be the way to g=
o.<br>
<br>The question of giving up LGPL for the Apache license might be a market=
ing topic too:<br><br>As this would allow companies to just take the code a=
nd include their patches in their own commercial product only, support of t=
he common code basis might be reduced in future.<br>
<br>... Especially as open source enthusiastic developers (mostly independe=
nt or related to Linux distributions) have told us over and over again that=
 they feel exploited by such commercial interests without getting something=
 back...<br>
<br>Best regards<br><br>Bernhard<br></blockquote><br><br>-- <br></div>
<div>Vriendelijke groet,<br>Simon Brouwer.<br><br>| <a href=3D"http://nl.op=
enoffice.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://nl.openoffice.org</a> | <a href=3D"=
http://www.opentaal.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.opentaal.org</a> |<b=
r><br>
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