Re: Neo/J release

Hi, 
Am Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:29:09 +0900, schrieb [email protected]:
>> I do not have a problem with it. I have a problem with guys 
>> flaming against Sun @ OOo all the time.
> 
> There was no flaming against Sun and OOo, at most a 
> misunderstanding because you sent your mail from a sun address.
> 
> The issue is more with some OOo/OSX porting volunteers (and not 
> only them since I am not aware Sophie is porting) who'd rather 
> complain against the NeoOffice team than thank them for their 
> hard work.

How many times do I have to write that I appreciate the workd Ed 
and Dan to until you read it? 

> I mean it is just not correct/polite to complain about other 
> volunteers who say "THANK YOU" in very clear terms at the top of 
> their mail 

Yes. There was a THANK YOU but it was before the PR. The official 
PR begins with

Introducing NeoOffice(r)/J 1.1 

     Sunnyvale, California, USA - Planamesa Software and the
NeoOffice.org community are proud to introduce NeoOffice(r)/J 1.1, 
a Mac
OS X-native version of the OpenOffice.org office suite that includes
Microsoft Office-compatible word processing, spreadsheet, 
presentation
and drawing applications.


And so on. There is no "hank you" to us X11 porters in it. 

> and make references to the OOo origin of their work 
> all over their PR.

Yes they reference to the OOo origin of their work but they claim 
for them to have done the "only" Mac OS X version of OOo and that's 
what makes me furios.  

There is no sentence that says something like: A big thank you goes 
out to the developers of OpenOffice.org 1.1.x for X11. Without 
their hard work porting OOo 1.1.4 into Neo/J would have taken 
significant longer" or something like that.

> The least OOo/OSX volunteers can do is thank them in return 
> because without NeoOffice a huge category of OSX users would 
> never be able to appreciate the OOo/OSX porting team efforts.

Yes. But why do I get the impression that Ed and Patrick claim that 
they do *everything* their own? You and I both knwo that this isn't 
true. They don't do everything their own. They take OOo X11 code, 
fix it, modify it a bit to fit Neo/J and then write the Neo/J GUI 
and add-ons around it. 

And for 2.0 why do I get the strange feeling that they only donated 
code to us in order to let us do the work of adopting it to 2.0? 
Simply read the mail of Ed Peterlin and you will understand what I 
mean. He points out to me how easy it is to do the adopting of the 
code and create fixes. I now only wonder that if it is that easy 
why don't he or Patrick do it? They don't do it simply because it 
is dirty every day work which won't bring you headlines and that is 
all Ed and Patrick want. Beeing the hereos of the day for the Mac 
OS X community that thanks to their glorious work has a "native" 
version of OOo for Mac OS X. There is an X11 port - ugly, useless 
etc. But that this ugly and useless X11 port is the base for Neo/J 
and that without it Ed and Patrick first would have to do the work 
of 
first getting 1.1.4 and 2.0 codeline to Mac OS X and only 
afterwards can add their Neo/J stuff and that this  
would significantly slow down Neo/J isn't mentioned with a single 
word. 

To not foregt it he gave back he and Ed made for the X11 code but 
too bad that this came to late and therefore work was already done 
twice. 

Regards, 
Eric Hoch

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