Re: [website-dev] JRE issue/questions...

Kay Schenk wrote:

Hello Kay,

> oh boy! Well thanks for the update. Considering we want the user to
> have the best experience possible, I do understand better about this.
> It's just all these permutations and the latest change in the "schema"
> naming has really COMPLICATED the download scripting to the point that

with the new filename schema especially the scripting and filtering 
should be easier than before. Now it's a clear thing with the "_" and 
"-" as separator and binding characters. Before it was, hm, a mess with 
all the exceptions.

> I think these are really non-maintainable almost. I do really wish
> some of this could be re-considered, re-discussed or I don't know
> what.

I don't think that it's not maintainable. I can still do this stuff. ;-)

But the release process doesn't fit anymore IMHO. Every language team 
can release what and when they will. *This* is not maintainable and 
foreseeable. We should really think about to improve some steps here.

Best regards

Marcus



> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Marcus Lange <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Marcus Lange <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>> On 05/28/2010 01:12 PM, Marcus Lange wrote:
>>>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>> Hello Kay,
>>
>>>>>>> I can probably get the new idea to work...but...I'm still not convinced
>>>>>>> this is really the best approach. And, I think it would far better to
>>>>>>> spell out what the consequences will be is you don't have a JRE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was already tried in the past. Maybe you could take this to release
>>>>>> meeting?
>>>>>>
>>>>> And? and, I don't know how to "take this to release  meeting". Help! and
>>>>> thanks for your reply.
>>>>>
>>>> OK, I can try it and will let you know. But first I'll proof my assumtions
>>>> about the functionality that needs Java.
>>>>
>>> great! thanks...
>> there are several places were the JRE is used:
>>
>> At the moment it's not possible to take every corner into accout as I would have to ask nearly every developer. But the following are IMHO really main topics:
>>
>> Installer:
>> The installer on Unix OSs are using the JRE. For Windows the native MSI technology is used. Especially on Linux we cannot know what is maybe preinstalled and how suitable it is. Of course OOo should install/run on famous and not so common distributions preferably without problems.
>>
>> Wizards:
>> Every wizard that canbe used via menu "File - Wizard" is using Java.
>>
>> Base:
>> The included default database engine HSQLDB needs an JRE to work.
>> Also the Sun extensions like the Report Builder is using Java.
>>
>> Furthermore the story behind the integration is that we want to make sure that the user is able to work with every function in OOo (and eventually extension) out-of-the-box. A separate and manual installation of the JRE is not wished. So, this can be fullfilled at best when providing the JRE together with the OOo package.
>>
>> So, as a result I don't think that we can switch to builds without JRE totally.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Marcus