Re: [website-dev] JRE issue/questions...

Kay Schenk wrote:
> On 06/08/2010 11:35 AM, Marcus Lange wrote:
>> Kay Schenk wrote:

Hello Kay,

>>> oh boy! Well thanks for the update. Considering we want the user to
>>> have the best experience possible, I do understand better about this.
>>> It's just all these permutations and the latest change in the "schema"
>>> naming has really COMPLICATED the download scripting to the point that
>> with the new filename schema especially the scripting and filtering
>> should be easier than before. Now it's a clear thing with the "_" and
>> "-" as separator and binding characters. Before it was, hm, a mess with
>> all the exceptions.
>>
>>> I think these are really non-maintainable almost. I do really wish
>>> some of this could be re-considered, re-discussed or I don't know
>>> what.
>> I don't think that it's not maintainable. I can still do this stuff. ;-)
> 
> ahemmm...well, it gives me a bit of headache to look at, and so much
> repition now for the various DL servers--bouncer vs mirrorbrain...but

please forget Bouncer. It wasn't maintained with current builds since 
many months, maybe already a year. Lets just concentrate on Mirrorbrain. :-)

> maybe the website "group" isn't even the right place to address these
> sorts of things (???) Ah for a nice DB backend to deal with some of this!

Right, this has to be discussed on the level of project leads for 
releases, distribution and L10N.

>> But the release process doesn't fit anymore IMHO. Every language team
>> can release what and when they will. *This* is not maintainable and
>> foreseeable. We should really think about to improve some steps here.
> 
> well some sort of an organizational chit-chat is in order IMNSHO...maybe
> this could be taken up by some appropriate parties at the next OO.o
> conf. I'll knock on a few virtual doors to see what can be done.

Yeah, good point.

> I'll dig deeper this week and see if I can determine if more simplicity
> is possible.

Great

Best regards

Marcus



>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Marcus Lange <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Marcus Lange <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/28/2010 01:12 PM, Marcus Lange wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>> Hello Kay,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can probably get the new idea to work...but...I'm still not
>>>>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>>>> this is really the best approach. And, I think it would far
>>>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>>>> spell out what the consequences will be is you don't have a JRE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was already tried in the past. Maybe you could take this to
>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>> meeting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And? and, I don't know how to "take this to release  meeting".
>>>>>>> Help! and
>>>>>>> thanks for your reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, I can try it and will let you know. But first I'll proof my
>>>>>> assumtions
>>>>>> about the functionality that needs Java.
>>>>>>
>>>>> great! thanks...
>>>> there are several places were the JRE is used:
>>>>
>>>> At the moment it's not possible to take every corner into accout as I
>>>> would have to ask nearly every developer. But the following are IMHO
>>>> really main topics:
>>>>
>>>> Installer:
>>>> The installer on Unix OSs are using the JRE. For Windows the native
>>>> MSI technology is used. Especially on Linux we cannot know what is
>>>> maybe preinstalled and how suitable it is. Of course OOo should
>>>> install/run on famous and not so common distributions preferably
>>>> without problems.
>>>>
>>>> Wizards:
>>>> Every wizard that canbe used via menu "File - Wizard" is using Java.
>>>>
>>>> Base:
>>>> The included default database engine HSQLDB needs an JRE to work.
>>>> Also the Sun extensions like the Report Builder is using Java.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore the story behind the integration is that we want to make
>>>> sure that the user is able to work with every function in OOo (and
>>>> eventually extension) out-of-the-box. A separate and manual
>>>> installation of the JRE is not wished. So, this can be fullfilled at
>>>> best when providing the JRE together with the OOo package.
>>>>
>>>> So, as a result I don't think that we can switch to builds without
>>>> JRE totally.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Marcus