Re: COI in the Spanish NLC Project

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:34:36 -0600, Ramon Sole <[email protected]>  
wrote:

> Dear Louis and CC members,
>
> some members of the Spanish NLC project find that the current leader,
> Alexandro Colorado, is incurring in a situation of Conflict of Interest
> (COI). The grounds for that thoughts are the following:

Ramon,

For weeks I have been reading the big shakeup you have been caused to our  
community. You have been pushing this conflict of interest for quite a  
while and even if other members of the community have explain you several  
times that such doesn't exist you have incisted in the issue. At the same  
time, your work has been extremely limited in the community. Your only  
contribution has been a paper that was translated by you in 2008. Since  
then most of the emails have been to either claiming not agreen with our  
changes or having it's members including myself under a shadier light that  
needed.

> - Alexandro has registered the domain documentfoundation.es to his name.
> He's furthermore actively working with the TDF leaders on building and
> promoting that domain, even within the Spanish OOo Community.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9186

That is a big assumption, honestly I dont time myself on the work I do for  
TDF or OOo. At the moment I have been working on three different projects,  
the OOo wiki help files have been updated as well on many oooES meetings  
regarding the release of 3.3 from OOo. Saying that I have been working  
more on TDF than OOo might actually be untrue since there is more work  
right now in 3.3 release than others. Regardless of that I have been  
working with the documentation team to get the starting guide for OOo up  
to speed.

> - Alexandro and other members have started a private project named
> oooes.org, independent of OOo. Alexandro and those members are
> encouraging people in the OOo project to leave OOo and migrate to that
> private project.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24454

OOoES was started 3 years ago as a way to have a better syncronization of  
the tasks for OOo. Giving the release of LibreOffice and also the increase  
of tasks from ooo4kids in the past year and a half we have been discussing  
the task of having a neutral channel of communication. This will allow us  
better flexibility on organizing the work from this 3 projects so we  
launched a mailing list that will allow us to do our job better. We have  
never encourage anybody to leave OOo but on the contrary if you read the  
letter. We want to show the commitment to the OOo project.

>
> - Alexandro intends to migrate the lists and forums of OOo to that
> private project oooes.org.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24472
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Organizacion/Log5JuntaOOoES

We never intended to migrate the forums, actually the forums have taught  
us because of their unique position to handle the communication on the  
mailing list on a similar arangement. Since the forums are sort of  
independent, same way oooauthors.org which can extend their support to  
other projects. Other projects like the BrOffice have a similar  
configuration where they are able to handle their own infrastructure and  
provide it's own services. oooES has been doing this for several years  
with the services on Moodle and other peripheral sites cross-linked with  
the collabnet site.

>
> - Other members of the Spanish project with administration privileges
> are also encouraging people to quit the OOo project and work on the
> oooes.org site instead.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4674
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4685

Again this is completley false, migrating list and quiting OOo project are  
very different things. This migration plan was announced and handle a  
public meetup to present possible disagreements, as far as I can tell,  
there was not a big reasoning why this shouldn't be done. As you can see,  
most of the people have spoken in approval of this proposal. Ariel,  
Marcos, and yourself have been vocal on your disagreament. But the pros  
outweights the cons and we have considered we gave the chance for everyone  
to express their concerns. In the end most people have reacted positively  
to the news. More important, the people that agree is the people that has  
contributed the most ot this community through out it's 9 years history. I  
don't think that people with such commitment has intend on just quiting.  
Same goes to the this COI deal, I can argue that you have the same  
position with your company being listed as supporter of the TDF. I think  
what is more important your actual contributions, than your discussions on  
a mailing list.

>
> Some people on the Spanish project think that behavior is unacceptable
> in a leader of the OOo Community. We tried to start a discussion in the
> Spanish lists and asked for an explanation, but after several weeks we
> hadn't any response from Alexandro about the COI. Furthermore, he is

I already responded to you earlier in the discussion  
(http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9188), I am  
sorry I didn't continue replying. I need that time on things that can  
provide a better benefit to the project. that time could be better  
invested in actually improving the documentation or performing QA on this  
upcoming 3.3 release. Perhaps I would be more interested in learning how  
this proposal could affect negatively your job in the community?

> insisting in moving people and information of OOo to the oooes.org site.
> It seems he's practicing a strategy of avoid the topic and keep
> "business as usual" as if nothing happened. I think we are in an
> extraordinary circumstance, as defined in the Guidelines for
> Participating in OpenOffice.org, where the CC should act. So I'm
> publicly informing the OOo project leader and the CC of the situation
> and asking for a new election of the leader, if you finally think the
> COI exists.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Ramon Sole
>
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> Apreciados Louis y miembros del CC,
>
> algunos miembros del proyecto NLC español pensamos que el actual leader,
> Alexandro Colorado, está incurriendo en una situación de conflicto de
> intereses (COI). Las razones para ello son las siguientes:
>
> - Alexandro ha registrado el dominio documentfoundation.es a su nombre.
> Además estña trabajando activamente con los líderes de TDF constuyendo y
> promocionando el dominio, incluso en la Comunidad Hispana de OOo.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9186
>
> - Alexandro y otros miembros han iniciado un proyecto privado llamado
> oooes.org, independiente de OOo. Alexandro y esos miembros están
> animando a la gente en el proyecto OOo a abandonar OOo y migrar a ese
> nuevo proyecto privado.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24454
>
> - Alexandro tiene intención de migrar las listas y foros de OOo a ese
> proyecto privado oooes.org.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24472
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Organizacion/Log5JuntaOOoES
>
> - Otros miembros del proyecto en español de OOo con privilegios de
> administradores están también animando a la gente a dejar el proyecto
> OOo y trabajar en cambio en oooes.org
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4674
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4685
>
> Algunas personas del proyecto español pensamos que está conducta es
> inaceptable en un lider de la Comunidad de OOo. Hemos intentado empezar
> una discusión en las listas españolas y hemos pedido una explicación,
> pero tras varias semanas no hemos tenido ninguna respuesta de Alexandro
> sobre el conflicto de intereses. Al contrario, insiste en mover la gente
> e información de OOo al sitio  oooes.org site. Parece que está
> practicando una estrategia de evitar el tema y mantener “las cosas como
> están” como si nada ocurriese. Creo que se da una circunstancia
> extraordinaria, según está definida en las "Líneas maestras para
> participar en OpenOffice.org" en la cuál el CC debería actuar.
> Por ello estoy informando públicamente al líder de OOo y al CC de la
> situación y pidiendo una nueva elección de líder, si piensan que el
> conflicto de intereses es real.
>
> Saludos cordiales,
>
> Ramon Sole
>
>
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