Re: COI in the Spanish NLC Project

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:35:11 -0600, Ramon Sole <[email protected]>  
wrote:

> Hola Alexandro, *
>
> es una pena que haya sido necesario esto para que te dignaras entrar a
> debatir el tema.
>
> Un comentario previo de tu mensaje en inglés: hablas más de lo que yo
> personalmente hago o dejo de hacer en el proyecto que de tu potencial
> conflicto de intereses. Pero yo no tengo ninguna responsabilidad en OOo,
> por lo que puedo hacer o no hacer lo quiera. Tú sí que la tienes, por lo
> que según lo que hagas aparece el conflicto de intereses. No te lo tomes
> como un tema personal, ni tan solo te conozco personalmente.
>
> Has estado liderando la Comunidad Hispana durante muchos años y nadie ha
> puesto en duda tu aportación. Ni durante estos años que ha estado
> funcionando OOoES dentro de OOo nadie ha visto ningún problema. Pero esa
> no es la cuestión; el escenario ha cambiado y tú has tomado unas
> decisiones en relación a esos cambios, te has involucrado en TDF y has
> iniciado un nuevo proyecto oooes.org fuera de OOo. Algunos pensamos que
> todo eso te a provocar en algún momento u otro un conflicto de
> intereses: eso es todo, ni más ni menos.
>
> Si quieres proseguir el debate y aclarar la situación hablemos de la
> situación que genera el conflicto de intereses, y explícanos como vas a
> estar en TDF, oooes.org y vas además a liderar el proyecto español de
> OOo sin tener que tomar nunca una decisión que entre en conflicto con
> alguno de los tres.

Sinceramente como te mencione, no tengo tiempo. Prefiero emplear mi tiempo  
en cosas que beneficien a OpenOffice.org.

>
> Un saludo,
>
> Ramon
>
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:34:36 -0600, Ramon Sole <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Louis and CC members,
>>>
>>> some members of the Spanish NLC project find that the current leader,
>>> Alexandro Colorado, is incurring in a situation of Conflict of Interest
>>> (COI). The grounds for that thoughts are the following:
>>
>> Ramon,
>>
>> For weeks I have been reading the big shakeup you have been caused to
>> our community. You have been pushing this conflict of interest for quite
>> a while and even if other members of the community have explain you
>> several times that such doesn't exist you have incisted in the issue. At
>> the same time, your work has been extremely limited in the community.
>> Your only contribution has been a paper that was translated by you in
>> 2008. Since then most of the emails have been to either claiming not
>> agreen with our changes or having it's members including myself under a
>> shadier light that needed.
>>
>>> - Alexandro has registered the domain documentfoundation.es to his  
>>> name.
>>> He's furthermore actively working with the TDF leaders on building and
>>> promoting that domain, even within the Spanish OOo Community.
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9186
>>
>> That is a big assumption, honestly I dont time myself on the work I do
>> for TDF or OOo. At the moment I have been working on three different
>> projects, the OOo wiki help files have been updated as well on many
>> oooES meetings regarding the release of 3.3 from OOo. Saying that I have
>> been working more on TDF than OOo might actually be untrue since there
>> is more work right now in 3.3 release than others. Regardless of that I
>> have been working with the documentation team to get the starting guide
>> for OOo up to speed.
>>
>>> - Alexandro and other members have started a private project named
>>> oooes.org, independent of OOo. Alexandro and those members are
>>> encouraging people in the OOo project to leave OOo and migrate to that
>>> private project.
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24454
>>
>> OOoES was started 3 years ago as a way to have a better syncronization
>> of the tasks for OOo. Giving the release of LibreOffice and also the
>> increase of tasks from ooo4kids in the past year and a half we have been
>> discussing the task of having a neutral channel of communication. This
>> will allow us better flexibility on organizing the work from this 3
>> projects so we launched a mailing list that will allow us to do our job
>> better. We have never encourage anybody to leave OOo but on the contrary
>> if you read the letter. We want to show the commitment to the OOo  
>> project.
>>
>>>
>>> - Alexandro intends to migrate the lists and forums of OOo to that
>>> private project oooes.org.
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24472
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Organizacion/Log5JuntaOOoES
>>
>> We never intended to migrate the forums, actually the forums have taught
>> us because of their unique position to handle the communication on the
>> mailing list on a similar arangement. Since the forums are sort of
>> independent, same way oooauthors.org which can extend their support to
>> other projects. Other projects like the BrOffice have a similar
>> configuration where they are able to handle their own infrastructure and
>> provide it's own services. oooES has been doing this for several years
>> with the services on Moodle and other peripheral sites cross-linked with
>> the collabnet site.
>>
>>>
>>> - Other members of the Spanish project with administration privileges
>>> are also encouraging people to quit the OOo project and work on the
>>> oooes.org site instead.
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4674
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4685
>>
>> Again this is completley false, migrating list and quiting OOo project
>> are very different things. This migration plan was announced and handle
>> a public meetup to present possible disagreements, as far as I can tell,
>> there was not a big reasoning why this shouldn't be done. As you can
>> see, most of the people have spoken in approval of this proposal. Ariel,
>> Marcos, and yourself have been vocal on your disagreament. But the pros
>> outweights the cons and we have considered we gave the chance for
>> everyone to express their concerns. In the end most people have reacted
>> positively to the news. More important, the people that agree is the
>> people that has contributed the most ot this community through out it's
>> 9 years history. I don't think that people with such commitment has
>> intend on just quiting. Same goes to the this COI deal, I can argue that
>> you have the same position with your company being listed as supporter
>> of the TDF. I think what is more important your actual contributions,
>> than your discussions on a mailing list.
>>
>>>
>>> Some people on the Spanish project think that behavior is unacceptable
>>> in a leader of the OOo Community. We tried to start a discussion in the
>>> Spanish lists and asked for an explanation, but after several weeks we
>>> hadn't any response from Alexandro about the COI. Furthermore, he is
>>
>> I already responded to you earlier in the discussion
>> (http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9188), I am
>> sorry I didn't continue replying. I need that time on things that can
>> provide a better benefit to the project. that time could be better
>> invested in actually improving the documentation or performing QA on
>> this upcoming 3.3 release. Perhaps I would be more interested in
>> learning how this proposal could affect negatively your job in the
>> community?
>>
>>> insisting in moving people and information of OOo to the oooes.org  
>>> site.
>>> It seems he's practicing a strategy of avoid the topic and keep
>>> "business as usual" as if nothing happened. I think we are in an
>>> extraordinary circumstance, as defined in the Guidelines for
>>> Participating in OpenOffice.org, where the CC should act. So I'm
>>> publicly informing the OOo project leader and the CC of the situation
>>> and asking for a new election of the leader, if you finally think the
>>> COI exists.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Ramon Sole
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Apreciados Louis y miembros del CC,
>>>
>>> algunos miembros del proyecto NLC español pensamos que el actual  
>>> leader,
>>> Alexandro Colorado, está incurriendo en una situación de conflicto de
>>> intereses (COI). Las razones para ello son las siguientes:
>>>
>>> - Alexandro ha registrado el dominio documentfoundation.es a su nombre.
>>> Además estña trabajando activamente con los líderes de TDF constuyendo  
>>> y
>>> promocionando el dominio, incluso en la Comunidad Hispana de OOo.
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9186
>>>
>>> - Alexandro y otros miembros han iniciado un proyecto privado llamado
>>> oooes.org, independiente de OOo. Alexandro y esos miembros están
>>> animando a la gente en el proyecto OOo a abandonar OOo y migrar a ese
>>> nuevo proyecto privado.
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24454
>>>
>>> - Alexandro tiene intención de migrar las listas y foros de OOo a ese
>>> proyecto privado oooes.org.
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24472
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Organizacion/Log5JuntaOOoES
>>>
>>> - Otros miembros del proyecto en español de OOo con privilegios de
>>> administradores están también animando a la gente a dejar el proyecto
>>> OOo y trabajar en cambio en oooes.org
>>>
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4674
>>> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4685
>>>
>>> Algunas personas del proyecto español pensamos que está conducta es
>>> inaceptable en un lider de la Comunidad de OOo. Hemos intentado empezar
>>> una discusión en las listas españolas y hemos pedido una explicación,
>>> pero tras varias semanas no hemos tenido ninguna respuesta de Alexandro
>>> sobre el conflicto de intereses. Al contrario, insiste en mover la  
>>> gente
>>> e información de OOo al sitio  oooes.org site. Parece que está
>>> practicando una estrategia de evitar el tema y mantener “las cosas como
>>> están” como si nada ocurriese. Creo que se da una circunstancia
>>> extraordinaria, según está definida en las "Líneas maestras para
>>> participar en OpenOffice.org" en la cuál el CC debería actuar.
>>> Por ello estoy informando públicamente al líder de OOo y al CC de la
>>> situación y pidiendo una nueva elección de líder, si piensan que el
>>> conflicto de intereses es real.
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales,
>>>
>>> Ramon Sole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Alexandro Colorado