Re: [ANN] This list is migrating to [email protected]

It is my understanding that the OpenOffice.org trademarks and all of the va=
rious domain registrations are being transferred to the Apache Software Fou=
ndation.

It might well be that a full-up site transfer can be pulled off, but it is =
the case that Apache infrastructure does not support everything that runs o=
n the current OpenOffice.org sites and there may not be adequate resources =
to migrate and support them, like for like.

Everything at ASF is done by volunteers.  If it is something not already su=
pported on Apache infrastructure, there has to be Apache OOo project member=
s who step forward to carry out migration and continuing maintenance at the=
 IT infrastructure level.=20=20

We are completely missing any technical support for migrating, preserving, =
and operating these mailing lists, for example.  That is a serious factual =
problem behind Rob Weir's warning that these lists may go away.  (The messa=
ge was more emphatic than that, but it isn't over until it's over.)

Another example is the MediaWiki that is used on OpenOffice.org.  There is =
no MediaWiki instance running anywhere at Apache.  One was brought up on a =
test server provided by Apache on the condition that we had volunteers who =
could maintain it.  Likewise for the forums.

Moving Bugzilla, the Issue Tracker, was easy because that is an already-sup=
ported product on Apache infrastructure.  Even then, it was not possible to=
 preserve existing user passwords, so existing users have to go through a p=
assword-reset procedure in order to be set up on the new Bugzilla.  Even th=
en, there are lots of broken connections and other materials on OpenOffice.=
org that need to be corrected as well.

The plumbing underneath the OpenOffice.org sites and their services is quit=
e intricate and it is not a matter of just doing a system dump and coming u=
p on another server that Apache can operate and direct the domain names to.=
  You might be surprised to learn that there is more than one server involv=
ed, but that is all hidden under the fa=C3=A7ade of the overall site and do=
main name.

Does that help?  Too much information?

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Bret Busby [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 21:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: [discuss] Re: [ANN] This list is migrating to ooo-users@incubator.=
apache.org

On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, David B Teague sr wrote:
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> You know that Oracle inherited OO.o by way of their purchase of SUN. Orac=
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> isn't going to provide support for OO.o as Sun did. They donated=20
> OpenOffice.org source and trademarks to the Apache foundation and will en=
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> their support for OO.o mailing lists and archives.  There is far too much=
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> valuable information that was and is being passed in these mailing lists =
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> let them and the archives just vanish. Apache will host new lists.
[ ... ]

I would have thought, however, in the circumstances, that, for the sake=20
of transparency and convenience, Oracle would have similarly donated the=20
domain name registration, to Apache, which would then have been able to=20
host the Open Office mailing lists on its own servers, and, just changed=20
the domain name registration, including the nameservers, and thus have=20
had a fairly "seamless" transfer, with no need to change the mailing=20
lists, so, one day, the lists are hosted on one set of servers (Oracle?)=20
and the next day, the mailing lists are hosted on a different set of=20
servers (Apache foundation), thus, apart from possibly, a few hours at=20
the time of transference, no "visible" change need be apparent to lists=20
subscribers.

[ ... ]

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