Re: [OOo-Hebrew] [YBA] Proposal for MoF 2008/2009
Henner Drewes <[email protected]> Sat, 17 May 2008 12:02:55 +0300
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============80765880616146157== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070809050407050307040809" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070809050407050307040809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jonathan, I have some comments on your proposal to the MoF. - In section =D7=911 the limitation of OOo's capabilities to display RTL = and=20 Hebrew paragraph numbering is mentioned. However, details on the current = limitations are not given. Looking at the referenced issues in the OOo=20 issue tracker, I noticed that all mentioned issues are dealing with MS=20 Word import and export only. No issue exists that describes the current=20 limitations when working with OOo native files. I think it would be wise to clearly describe the status quo - maybe not=20 in the proposal itself, but file an issue in issue tracker, and give a=20 reference in the proposal. - There are still a lot of details to be worked on concerning general=20 bidi issues and typographic details in RTL text output. I have provided patches for issues 77976=20 <http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D77976> and 85715=20 <http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D85715>, which have bee= n=20 integrated recently. While issue 77976 dealt only with Windows, I=20 recently noticed that there is a similar problem present on Linux. I=20 haven't filed an issue on that yet, since as a Windows user I am not=20 affected personally. But I think you should address this type of=20 problems in your proposal and check all platforms. There is also issue 85089=20 <http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D85089>, which affects = not only Arabic, but Hebrew as well. Issue 89286=20 <http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D89286> was added=20 recently. And there is issue 55927=20 <http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D55927>, which of cours= e=20 will become obsolete if edit engine will be replaced by writer ( which=20 sounds really exciting ... ), but in the mean time it keeps annoying a=20 lot of users. To summarize, proper RTL text output is a vital prerequisite for=20 achieving all other goals mentioned in the proposal. It should be=20 addressed and integrated into the proposal. Thank you for efforts. Henner Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: > Hi list members, > In preparation for resumption of the Hebrew OOo project with the=20 > Ministry of Finance I have prepared a proposed work plan (in Hebrew)=20 > that you can find here: > http://openoffice.org.il/Tk_plan_for_MoF_OOo_2008.pdf. > > The plan has passed one round of comment from Lior Kaplan and Nadine=20 > Cohen. Now it's your turn to comment. > > I expect that TkOS will be concluding an agreement with the MoF on the = > basis of this plan in the coming weeks, so if you have strong feelings = > about what should be in the plan, now is the time to make those=20 > feelings known. > > Happy independence day, > > - yba > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Henner Drewes* /Tel./ +49 =E2=80=93 201 =E2=80=93 426 38 960 /Mobile Germany:/ +49 163 157 27 14 /Mobile Israel/: +972 54 212 48 53 /Home Israel: +972 77 212 48 53/ /Sip:/[email protected] /Skype: /hennerd <skype:hennerd?call> /Email/ [email protected]=20 <mailto:[email protected]> www.movement-notation.de <http://www.movement-notation.de/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------070809050407050307040809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html style=3D"direction: ltr;"> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html;charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"= > <title></title> </head> <body style=3D"direction: ltr;" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;">Dear Jonathan,</p> <br> I have some comments on your proposal to the MoF.<br> <br> - In section =D7=911 the limitation of OOo's capabilities to display RTL = and Hebrew paragraph numbering is mentioned. However, details on the current limitations are not given. Looking at the referenced issues in the OOo issue tracker, I noticed that all mentioned issues are dealing with MS Word import and export only. No issue exists that describes the current limitations when working with OOo native files. <br> <br> I think it would be wise to clearly describe the status quo - maybe not in the proposal itself, but file an issue in issue tracker, and give a reference in the proposal. <br> <br> - There are still a lot of details to be worked on concerning general bidi issues and typographic details in RTL text output. <br> I have provided patches for issues <a href=3D"http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D77976">77976</= a> and <a href=3D"http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D85715">8= 5715</a>, which have been integrated recently. While issue 77976 dealt only with Windows, I recently noticed that there is a similar problem present on Linux. I haven't filed an issue on that yet, since as a Windows user I am not affected personally. But I think you should address this type of problems in your proposal and check all platforms. <br> There is also issue <a href=3D"http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D85089">85089</= a>, which affects not only Arabic, but Hebrew as well. Issue <a href=3D"http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D89286">89286</= a> was added recently. And there is issue <a href=3D"http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3D55927">55927</= a>, which of course will become obsolete if edit engine will be replaced by writer ( which sounds really exciting ... ), but in the mean time it keeps annoying a lot of users.<br> <br> To summarize, proper RTL text output is a vital prerequisite for achieving all other goals mentioned in the proposal. It should be addressed and integrated into the proposal.<br> <br> Thank you for efforts.<br> <br> Henner<br> <br> <br> Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email protected]" type=3D"cite">Hi list members, <br> In preparation for resumption of the Hebrew OOo project with the Ministry of Finance I have prepared a proposed work plan (in Hebrew) that you can find here: <br> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://openoffice.org.il/Tk_plan_for_MoF_OOo_2008.pdf">http://op= enoffice.org.il/Tk_plan_for_MoF_OOo_2008.pdf</a>. <br> <br> The plan has passed one round of comment from Lior Kaplan and Nadine Cohen. Now it's your turn to comment. <br> <br> I expect that TkOS will be concluding an agreement with the MoF on the basis of this plan in the coming weeks, so if you have strong feelings about what should be in the plan, now is the time to make those feelings known. <br> <br> Happy independence day, <br> <br> =C2=A0- yba <br> <br> <br> </blockquote> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br> <meta http-equiv=3D"CONTENT-TYPE" content=3D"text/html; "> <title></title> <meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"OpenOffice.org 1.1.5 (Win32)"> <meta name=3D"CREATED" content=3D"20050123;13490887"> <meta name=3D"CHANGEDBY" content=3D"Henner Drewes"> <meta name=3D"CHANGED" content=3D"20060510;18053094"> <hr> <p><strong><font size=3D"4"><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><font color=3D"#666666">Henner Drewes</font></font></font></strong></p> <dl> <dt><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><font size=3D"2"><i>Tel.</i> +49 =E2= =80=93 201 =E2=80=93 426 38 960</font></font></dt> <dt> <font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><font size=3D"2"><i>Mobile German= y:</i> +49 163 157 27 14</font></font></dt> <dt> <font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><font size=3D"2"><i>Mobile Israel= </i>: +972 54 212 48 53</font></font></dt> <dt><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><font size=3D"2"><i>Home Israel: +972 77 212 48 53</i></font></font></dt> <dt> <font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><font size=3D"2"><i>Sip:</i><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">26= [email protected]</a></font></font></dt> <dt> <font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><i>Skype: </i><a= href=3D"skype:hennerd?call">hennerd<br> </a></font><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><br> <br> <i>Email</i> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">h= [email protected]</a></font></font></dt> <dt> <a href=3D"http://www.movement-notation.de/"><font size=3D"2"><fon= t face=3D"Arial, sans-serif">www.movement-notation.de</font></font></a></d= t> <hr> </dl> </div> </body> </html> --------------070809050407050307040809-- --===============80765880616146157== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- Hebrew OpenOffice Mailing List [email protected] To unsubscribe see: http://openoffice.org.il/mailman/listinfo/hebrew --===============80765880616146157==--