Re: [native-lang] IRC Talk starts now!!

Hi Charles,

Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

>
> In every FOSS project history has its importance. As a matter of fact, 
> did you know that Daniel was willing to become the documentation 
> project lead? He wasn't elected. 

Can you point us to the relevant discussion? I remeber a vote on Co 
Lead, not Lead.

> Then he created OOoAuthors. 

OOoAuthors was in place before the election I have in mind.

I just want to say that it is nonsense to answer one waky argument with 
another one. This will only enforce the situation, that OOo-project and 
OOoAuthors think they need to be separated instead of working on the 
opposite.

> And then he changed the licence, while not explaining to the 
> OOoAuthors members the consequence for this.

That's stille the fact I don't like about all that.

> .... OOoAuthors. It's an external site, outside OOo. But I do have a 
> problem with its intent. The intent of OOoAuthors is to attract as 
> much people as possible by trying to be appealing to advanced users as 
> well as newcomers. 

What was no problem, if we considered OOoAuthors as part of the community.

>
> Look for instance at how Daniel is spreading his propaganda on the 
> discuss list. 

huh .. and what stops anybody from doing the same for the documentation 
project?

> Almost every day, you'll have a post whose content and logic will tell 
> you to go contribute to OOoAuthors. But why should OOoAuthors chase on 
> the lists of OOo?

Again .. telling from what I see at the germanophone project, this 
doesn't need to be a problem.
The only problem I really see is the license. But .. if you take care 
about people, they will join you.

> Wouldn't it be the same if I opened a site called, say 
> "CharlesownOOocommunity.com" and everyday I would go around the lists 
> of OOo and tell everybody to move to my site because, among other 
> reasons, there are problems with the OOo site? How would that feel? 
> That would be at least intellectually unhonest, for a very simple 
> reason: if you are part of a community that has problems (and frankly, 
> do you know one that hasn't ?)  then you should try to fix them, not 
> go away founding your own little thing. I'm valuing this behaviour 
> because I think that we're one community. If we weren't, I would find 
> all this a normal behaviour.

We are one community .. one community that has some well known problems 
(e.g. a hosting environment that is not easy to use for newcomers .. not 
to speak of "thumb users") that have not been fixed for years .. and 
won't get fixed witin the next millenium. So .. we should not shut our 
eyes and think, those problems do not exist.

> Now, I've heard many here complaining about the Documentation project.
> First, I'm not the documentation lead. Second, if you have problems, 
> try to fix the documentation project, and if you can't, then go 
> complain to the Community Council.

*sigh* seems I need to write some mails to the CC (but not about the 
documentation project .. there are others that are more important to me).

andré