Re: [native-lang] IRC Talk starts now!!

Hi,

On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 22:46 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 19:50 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> 
> > In every FOSS project history has its importance. As a matter of fact, 
> > did you know that Daniel was willing to become the documentation project 
> > lead? He wasn't elected. Then he created OOoAuthors. And then he changed 
> > the licence, while not explaining to the OOoAuthors members the 
> > consequence for this.
> 
> I'd say that is libelous, Charles. Its not only factually incorrect, it
> is said in such a way to try and make Daniel look as bad as possible.
> You should be ashamed of yourself. You are supposed to be a project
> leader, show at least a little maturity.
> 
> >  I cannot of course read Daniel's mind. 
> 
> Actually you have never ever met him yet you seem to be determined that
> you know all about him and his motives. Well I have met him and in my
> judgement his over-riding motive is the success of OOo.

Which means that the rest of us, here are just underlings in the light
of Daniel? Well if it's so, I'm the Queen of England, Ian.
>  You might not
> like him speaking his mind but what happened to freedom of speech? I
> don't agree with everything Daniel says, but I strongly defend his right
> to say it without reservation.

Freedom of Speech? Is freedom of speech threatened here?
> 
> > But I can watch his moves. And you know what? He's everything but 
> > somebody who needs "management", as Ian keeps telling me. Daniel  has an 
> > agenda. Now, as I keep saying myself,
> 
> You are paranoid and have no management experience so your response is
> predictable. Seems to me you are just out of your depth.

You know nothing of my past and present experiences, Ian. I've been a
CEO, a sailship guide and I'm trying to lead the NLC. I'm 26, you're
between 40 and 60, you've done the war, you have a good business, you
certainly have kids, etc. That's all good for you, and that doesn't
explain anything.
> 
> >  Second, if you have problems, try 
> > to fix the documentation project, and if you can't, then go complain to 
> > the Community Council.
> 
> As far as I know, the only person democratically elected by community
> members to the community council in recent times was ....Daniel. 
> 
> Still its not really a democracy is it?

FUD, FUD, and again FUD!!! How dare you come over here and pretend that
Daniel is the only one democratically elected? What about the NLC
representatives? The Incubator projects  representative? the
Non-technical Accepted projects representatives? And the Technical
projects representatives? Isn't this democracy Ian? What do you want, at
the end of the day? Do you think that there is only you and the people
at OOoAuthors who contribute to OOo? Do you think that what people like
Sophie, and Andre is nothing? Did you ever hear about people localizing
OOo, doing the QA, developing the core of the software, giving their
time to this community for free and still not being part of OOoAuthors?
There are many, many of them, Ian. OOoAuthors doesn't have the monopoly
of merit and of the community! For God's sake, Ian, you know better than
that!

Charles.