Re: [native-lang] IRC Talk starts now!!

On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 13:33 +0200, Charles-H.Schulz wrote:

> > >  I cannot of course read Daniel's mind. 
> > 
> > Actually you have never ever met him yet you seem to be determined that
> > you know all about him and his motives. Well I have met him and in my
> > judgement his over-riding motive is the success of OOo.
> 
> Which means that the rest of us, here are just underlings in the light
> of Daniel? Well if it's so, I'm the Queen of England, Ian.

You can speak for yourself, Charles. You already said you believe
hearsay without validating its truth, you then go on to add up 2+2 and
get 5 because it suits your obsession with demons with forks. On your
logical approach to this you could well be the Queen of England.

> >  You might not
> > like him speaking his mind but what happened to freedom of speech? I
> > don't agree with everything Daniel says, but I strongly defend his right
> > to say it without reservation.
> 
> Freedom of Speech? Is freedom of speech threatened here?

Yes because you are using inaccuracies perjoratively from a privileged
position. Calling Daniel's views propaganda and such hysteria. In the
current discussion it seems to me that Daniel is trying to find a way to
make the licensing work for all concerned. That does not seem to me to
be propaganda or anything but trying to help OOo. Compare his and
Andre's dialogue with your own input. They are trying to solve a
problem. You appear to be trying to inflame a situation for your own
personal reasons.

> > > But I can watch his moves. And you know what? He's everything but 
> > > somebody who needs "management", as Ian keeps telling me. Daniel  has an 
> > > agenda. Now, as I keep saying myself,
> > 
> > You are paranoid and have no management experience so your response is
> > predictable. Seems to me you are just out of your depth.
> 
> You know nothing of my past and present experiences, Ian. I've been a
> CEO, a sailship guide and I'm trying to lead the NLC. I'm 26, you're
> between 40 and 60, you've done the war, you have a good business, you
> certainly have kids, etc. That's all good for you, and that doesn't
> explain anything.

Life is too short. Read some books on management and leadership and then
I'll discuss it. BTW, I'm 50 in a couple of weeks time. I missed the war
by 5 years assuming you mean WWII.

> > >  Second, if you have problems, try 
> > > to fix the documentation project, and if you can't, then go complain to 
> > > the Community Council.
> > 
> > As far as I know, the only person democratically elected by community
> > members to the community council in recent times was ....Daniel. 
> > 
> > Still its not really a democracy is it?
> 
> FUD, FUD, and again FUD!!! How dare you come over here and pretend that
> Daniel is the only one democratically elected?

I said recent. How long since other elections took place? I dare to make
comments for the same reason you dare to post libelous stuff about
Daniel. However, I never said he was the only person democratically
elected - you seem good at making inferences and getting entirely the
wrong end of the stick. Recent is relevant because it means its likely
that the support is still valid. Democracy is more than just elections.
Daniel certainly is one person who was eleceted with every community
member entitled to vote. That point seems to have escaped you when you
try and discredit him.

> Ian. OOoAuthors doesn't have the monopoly
> of merit and of the community!

Who ever claimed it did? Get a grip. Get a sense of proportion. I'm not
a member of OOoAuthors though after this spat I think I might join the
documentation project at least as an observer. It seems from the
dialogue between Andre and Daniel that there is a genuine attempt to
resolve a difficult licensing problem. As Andre said, sometimes shit
happens. It seems to me better to solve this particular problem than to
keep going over history and personalities.

-- 
Ian Lynch <[email protected]>
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