Re: [native-lang] Position of Native-Lang and other non-coding parts of the communty [was: New template project]

Szia (Hi) Charles!

Charles Schulz írta:
> Hello Bernhard, Andre, Kami, all,
>
> I'm going to try to answer to everybody in one single email.
> Sophie pretty much summarized what I wanted to say. I'm just going to
> react to the the various reactions on this list:
> The specification itself (the way templates should be accessed into the
> office suite) is all right and I would say that this is a normal work.
> The problem, as Sophie pointed out, was that the scope of this page was
> much broader. It included the idea of a repository  made comments on the
> documentation project, etc.
>   
Look, if you check the competitors, you can see the web2.0 like 
template/extension/add-on/whatever marketplace where users can upload, 
vote, comment, tag, download templates. I happy with work of 
documentation project but I think we need more... Scott and Gerry did a 
good work at documentation project, congratulation. Also the contest is 
breathing new air into this project, so this is a good piece of news for 
all of us.
> This page, as it seems, was not written by Kami, but by a so-called
> iTeam. I don't know what this is, sorry if I missed some news here. But
> its inspiration on several questions seems to come directly from Kami.
Yes, I had some ideas. But this is a brainstorming from me or based on a 
real request from IZ.
>  I
> would simply like to know why the interested parties were not included,
> and worse, how we got to the point where nobody was actually asked to
> join.
Hey, this is a Wikipage, everybody has invited.
>  I do reiterate my demand that apologies should be made to Gerry
> and Scott from the Doc project.
>
> Wrt to Kami, it is true that I explained to everybody that I would help
> him include his works inside OOo. I tried. I tried very hard. In fact,
> with the 2.0.4 the relevance of a "premium" build of OOo would be much
> lessened, so I proposed Kami to integrate the OOo process itself: the
> developers wanted to have somebody care about the templates management
> (that was before the templates contest) and provide the QA (it is
> necessary for those as well).
I still ready to work with you. I doesn't want to work in a separated 
chapel. I just found sf provide the required resources for work... I am 
happily help in template management, but I treally don not want to 
upload and edit html files on one-by-one basis. Is an automated way is 
planned for it in the near future? It should be the first step for 
extension/templates/gallery marketplace. Look kde-files.org for idea...
>  I proposed Kami to work on this and take
> charge of the templates collection, QA and management. Well he ended up
> refusing.
I think it wasn't a refuse. I just want to run OxygenOffice until 
extension thing not works perfectly. Currently there are nearly half 
dozen issue that stops me like lack of gallery localizatuion support for 
UNO packages, gallery related issues, etc. I think I was one of first 
who made available non code extensions. You can check here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170021&package_id=208656
And no one has held back to make available these packages or a part of 
them in documentation/extension project. I really want to help you... So 
you can explain the best way for it.
>  Apparently having its own stuff on SourceForge was more
> important for him.
It is just for development. I think I have never had CVS rights for 
template related stuffs.
>  I do ackowledge however that he agreed to change the
> name of his bundle and that he put it under the LGPL.
It was always under LGPL.
>  Yet I keep
> receiving complaints, people who ask me who is this guy who spams the
> mailing lists. And no, "Oxygen Office" is not included inside the OOo
> community, no matter how good this idea can be. Because if it were,
> there would not be an OxyGen Office, there would be OOo, and a special
> goodies packages available on our site, not on SourceForge's. But enough
> with that.
>   
Now Extensions are available... This may make things more simple. Also I 
would like to ask other NLC members to provide template package for 
their language. This would be a big help for us.
Firstly I would be happy with FR, IT, TR, KA templates, but others are 
welcome.
> This idea of a template project may be good.
I is good. This is where the world is moving.
>  The problem is not so much
> the idea itself than the way it has grown. We all know about the need
> for Hamburg to generate revenue. So we had an IRC session about that.
> There will be a market place. There will also be free extensions.
> Perhaps there will also be an extensions project with a different scope
> (free stuff, training, etc.) Now we learn about these templates. That's
> so confusing to me and to others. You see the point is that there is a
> total lack of communication not just between the developers and the
> non-coding community. It is also between the corporate developers and
> the non-corporate community. Superior instances may put these developers
> under pressure. But this is not a reason to act in this way. If you're
> under pressure, say it, make us understand you are. And for God'sake,
> let's coordinate and work together. None of us has anything to gain
> about this behaviour. And I do think again that for Novell engineers to
> jump in this story is really not appropriate. It simply credits the idea
> that you have chosen to step over the community and that this is an art
> in which you are excelling these days.
>
> Best,
>
> Charles.
>   
Best regards,
KAMI