Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]

Shkumbin

Actually the Observer role is the default one, you can't really change that as a newcomer. So James is already in the sq project as an observer, but quite counterintuitively, you have to pick him and "add" him as a Project Lead.

Best,
Charles.


> Message du 08/03/10 19:22
> De : "Shkumbin Saneja" 
> A : "Charles-H. Schulz" 
> Copie à : [email protected]
> Objet : Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]
>
> Charles,
> 
> Mike has asked only for Observer role, and I was not able to make it into
> Project Lead.
> I think he have to re-apply in sq for project lead.
> 
> Best,
> Shkumbin
> 
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Charles-H. Schulz <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Shkumbin,
> >
> > You can now change James' username ( h4ck3rm1k3 ) to the Project Lead
> > role. In order to do this please log in to the OOo website, go to the
> > Shkip project's members section, click add member, search his username.
> > Once this is done, you will see below the result different possible
> > role. Select Project Owner and click done granting roles.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> > Le Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:48:02 +0100,
> > "[email protected]"  a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > HI guys,
> > > I am not going to chase anyone.
> > > good luck in getting a response from him,
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > On 2010-03-07, at 10:58 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > James,
> > > > >
> > > > > As I said, nothing is going to happen until you and others RTFM .
> > > > > Read my message, again, and see exactly how you should submit ssh
> > > > > keys.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. I just referred back to the proposer one ssh2key request
> > > > (me: ssh2key). The way it works, as we spell out, is that the
> > > > project lead (or designee) must approve of new requests.
> > > >
> > > > If I am tardy in responding, then by all means don't hesitate to
> > > > nag me. But please follow the guidelines Charles points to.
> > > >
> > > > Louis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Charles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Le Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:42:02 +0100,
> > > > > "[email protected]" 
> > > > > a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > >> I am willing to talk over the lead until I find someone else to
> > > > >> replace me. Here are my keys,
> > > > >> the SCA, I can do asap.
> > > > >> mike
> > > > >> https://launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/+sshkeys<
> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ejamesmikedupont/+sshkeys>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz <
> > > > >> [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would first like to thank Shkumbin for his contributions these
> > > > >>> past years. I am eager to see the Albanian project grow and work
> > > > >>> againwith Flossk or anyone who is willing and able to carry this
> > > > >>> project forward.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Unfortunately we cannot advance any further at that time until
> > > > >>> Shkumbin has formally appointed a new lead (change his role from
> > > > >>> observer to Project Lead). The new lead shall 1) upload his/her
> > > > >>> ssh keys, sign and fax the SCA.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This is explained here: http://native-lang.openoffice.org and
> > > > >>> here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Until any of these steps have been completed we cannot consider
> > > > >>> that we have a project and a leadership. If necessary, Louis
> > > > >>> Suarez-Potts can change the role of the person whose new
> > > > >>> leadership role has been agreed on. But even today, it's even
> > > > >>> unclear who we're talking to. Please note that there can be two
> > > > >>> leads, if necessary.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Best,
> > > > >>> Charles-H. Schulz.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Le Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:25:33 +0100,
> > > > >>> "[email protected]"
> > > > >>>  a écrit :
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>> We (flossk) have gotten the sources from shumbin, he is very
> > > > >>>> busy. He came and spoke at the conference, I will have the
> > > > >>>> videos online in some time.
> > > > >>>> Agron is also part of flossk, I would like to see flossk
> > > > >>>> taking a larger role in openoffice,
> > > > >>>> it would be great to hold a openoffice workshop in kosovo and
> > > > >>>> albania, can we get someone to come to one of the conferences
> > > > >>>> this year: http://kosovasoftwarefreedom.org/
> > > > >>>> http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/servlet/event.showcfp?eventid=8871
> > > > >>>> thanks,
> > > > >>>> mike
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > > >>>>  wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 2010-03-06, at 04:07 , Open Office Shqip wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hi to everyone,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I appoologize for not replying earlier in this issue, as I
> > > > >>>>>> was offline
> > > > >>>>> for
> > > > >>>>>> some time.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Dear Loius, Charlkes and Agron,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ….and also the entire list and world: these archives are
> > > > >>>>> public.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Thanks for your interesting on making the albanian
> > > > >>>>>> localization 'live'
> > > > >>>>> again
> > > > >>>>>> in OO.o site, but we have taken some efforts to make it live
> > > > >>>>>> in FLOSSK (Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova). So it's
> > > > >>>>>> the work that we are tryibg to accomplish in localising the
> > > > >>>>>> updates for OO.o 3.+, and having
> > > > >>>>> new
> > > > >>>>>> young people on team, on the field.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Otherwise, I do not have any problem if you want to handle
> > > > >>>>>> the Albanian
> > > > >>>>> Lead
> > > > >>>>>> to Agron, but just I would like to be sure that this will not
> > > > >>>>>> lead only
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>> this small step.
> > > > >>>>>> As we know, the OO.o source if free to be downloaded,
> > > > >>>>>> localizes and
> > > > >>>>> build.
> > > > >>>>>> If Agron or anyone come's up with updated localisation, I
> > > > >>>>>> would be more
> > > > >>>>> than
> > > > >>>>>> happy. So, feel free to decide, but just let's have results
> > > > >>>>>> as proof.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Unfortunately, so far, only my team have developed something
> > > > >>>>>> so far. I'm aware that it didn't went as expected, but that's
> > > > >>>>>> life.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Agroni, et al., let's work together on this. :-)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Looking forward for a progress in OO.o Albanian.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Best Regards,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Shkumbin
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Shkumbin: a personal request. Please consider changing your
> > > > >>>>> email alias. Right now, it's "Open Office Shqip" and that
> > > > >>>>> would suggest to someone unfamiliar with us and our policies
> > > > >>>>> that you are a representative (in some official capacity) of
> > > > >>>>> OpenOffice.org. I'm sure you do not want to confuse people, so
> > > > >>>>> please change the alias to something less confusing. Thanks.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> -louis
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > > >>>>>> 
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> To reiterate the point:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> A. For Albanian localization, please work with and within
> > > > >>>>>>> the l10n
> > > > >>>>> project:
> > > > >>>>>>> http://l10n.openoffice.org and [email protected]. NLC
> > > > >>>>>>> is no
> > > > >>>>> really
> > > > >>>>>>> suited for localization efforts. Please work there to
> > > > >>>>>>> coordinate your efforts.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> B. it's possible (likely?) that you are the only one working
> > > > >>>>>>> on this. Is that the case? Do you know? What have you done
> > > > >>>>>>> to determine that?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> C. Let's say that others join you in this effort to localize
> > > > >>>>>>> OOo to Albanian and that this is sustainable... in that
> > > > >>>>>>> case, forming an NLC project makes sense. So:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 1. If the supposed lead of the Albanian project has not
> > > > >>>>>>> responded to you
> > > > >>>>> or
> > > > >>>>>>> to us (and I'm cc'ing him here) within a reasonable period
> > > > >>>>>>> of time--say within this week--and if there is a living
> > > > >>>>>>> community (uhm, say
> > > > >>>>> active--why
> > > > >>>>>>> discriminate against the zombies? that's a joke.)--then work
> > > > >>>>>>> with them
> > > > >>>>> by
> > > > >>>>>>> using the project list to move the localization ahead.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 2. It may be that you need the permissions to update the
> > > > >>>>>>> webpages, etc.
> > > > >>>>> If
> > > > >>>>>>> no one is there to grant you those within the project, I can
> > > > >>>>>>> do that for you. Effectively, you would become the project
> > > > >>>>>>> lead, though webmaster is
> > > > >>>>> not
> > > > >>>>>>> the same as lead. Still, to make it easier for all, you
> > > > >>>>>>> should
> > > > >>>>> co-ordinate
> > > > >>>>>>> with the existing community, if any, on this issue, so that
> > > > >>>>>>> who is in control of the pages and lists is known and
> > > > >>>>>>> accepted by all.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I hope this gets you started. Basically, it comes down to
> > > > >>>>>>> this: Don't
> > > > >>>>> wait
> > > > >>>>>>> on ceremony (but don't be rude, of course) and do get going
> > > > >>>>>>> on the localization if you have the resources or energies to
> > > > >>>>>>> get others to work
> > > > >>>>> on
> > > > >>>>>>> it.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >>>>>>> Louis
> > > > >>>>>>> On 2010-03-01, at 23:34 , Linux Master wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Please, can anyone look into my issue?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Hello dev list,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian
> > > > >>>>>>>>> team (sq),
> > > > >>>>> but
> > > > >>>>>>> there has not been any response for far.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I have not received any response from the team leader
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Shkumbin Saneja
> > > > >>>>> at
> > > > >>>>>>> all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO
> > > > >>>>>>> 1.1.4 I
> > > > >>>>> believe
> > > > >>>>>>> this team is not active anymore.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader
> > > > >>>>>>>>> needs to
> > > > >>>>>>> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive
> > > > >>>>>>> because of him.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> almost 5 years
> > > > >>>>>>> ago.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Please help. I want to take over this project and get some
> > > > >>>>>>>>> active
> > > > >>>>> people
> > > > >>>>>>> involved. Many have gone to launchpad and are translating
> > > > >>>>>>> OpenOffice for Ubuntu in Albanian. For me, that's not the
> > > > >>>>>>> right level to translate
> > > > >>>>> since
> > > > >>>>>>> only Ubuntu and sub distros of Ubuntu will benefit.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> But, can only guess that many of them tried to register
> > > > >>>>>>>>> here, but
> > > > >>>>>>> because no one admitted they have found another place to
> > > > >>>>>>> have fun.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> //Agroni
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4
> > > > >>>>>>>>> years From:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Louis Suarez-Potts 
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Date:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:34:55 -0500
> > > > >>>>>>>>> To:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> To:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > >>>>>>>>> CC:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Hello, Agroni,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On 2010-02-13, at 21:20 , [email protected] wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Charles and Louis,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> team (sq),
> > > > >>>>>>> but there has not been any response for far.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have not received any response from the team leader
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shkumbin Saneja
> > > > >>>>>>> at all.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.1.4 I
> > > > >>>>> believe
> > > > >>>>>>> this team is not active anymore.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> needs to
> > > > >>>>>>> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive
> > > > >>>>>>> because of him.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> almost 5 years
> > > > >>>>>>> ago.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Please help.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> //Agroni
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the best tactic here is to inform the broader
> > > > >>>>>>>>> lists via
> > > > >>>>>>> dev@native-lang and also dev@l10n about this situation. It's
> > > > >>>>>>> normal in Foss projects, which are often volunteer-run, for
> > > > >>>>>>> the responsible to disappear as they become engaged in other
> > > > >>>>>>> (often remunerative)
> > > > >>>>> activities.
> > > > >>>>>>> It's life. But equally, we can always and always are
> > > > >>>>>>> soliciting new interest.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Given the nature of Albanian and its polity, I'd also
> > > > >>>>>>>>> wonder if it
> > > > >>>>> would
> > > > >>>>>>> help to engage government support?
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Foss saves money. Gives freedom. Builds local economies.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Is good. :-)
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Ciao
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Louis
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Feb 6, 2010 09:19:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> To comment on the following update, log in, then open the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> issue:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103426
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> User agroni changed the following:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> What |Old value |New value
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > ================================================================================
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Component|native-lang |l10n
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> QA contact|issues@native-lang |issues@l10n
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ------- Additional comments from [email protected]
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Sun Feb 7
> > > > >>>>>>> 02:19:42 +0000 2010 -------
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Still no response from no one.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Looks like the whole albanian team has abandoned this
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> project.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Please, assign me as a new albanian team leader.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Come on, please, it's been 6 months since the last post
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> here.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
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> > > >
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