Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead

Hi MIke,

On 2010-10-18, at 05:49 , Mike Dupont wrote:

> If I may say something about this, of course I am just a nobody here,

Uhm, we are all nobodies, in a manner of speaking :-)

> but there does not seem to be any problem with people taking part in a
> main project and its forks or branches. In fact, OOo will benefit from
> its forks because it represents a good chance for further development.

No one is saying there is. The issue, to be as clear as I can be (I hate =
sounding like Nixon=85.), is that leadership roles carrying =
representational authority, like the lead of the Native Language =
Confederation or Marketing Lead, differ. They are more visible, and =
their authority lies more in what one says, and where, than in the code =
produced that is then scrutinized by a team of peers.=20

As well, our governing board is composed of representatives supposedly =
representing various constituent elements making up OpenOffice.org. They =
speak for these constituencies; that's their function.

To misuse the authority granted them and advocate *leaving* =
OpenOffice.org to join a competing community, is thus quite serious. Not =
all have done this, I know only of Charles' public post to dev@nlc, but =
even the engagement of the leads on the Council raises serious doubts =
and concerns: whom are they representing? Whom speaking for? On whose =
behalf are they working. I'm sure that they are all able to act =
decently, but perception is also important, as that contributes to the =
trust that needs to be built here. Do keep in mind that the Document =
Foundation and LO were sprung overnight on OOo, a fait accompli, with no =
room for discussion, no space for airing of conflicts in the CC or =
elsewhere. It just was announced amid vague, that is unspecified, =
complaints about Oracle that merely seemed to fit into the readily =
available media narrative about Big Bad Company vs. community. (We heard =
this again and again over the years when Sun was the BBC.)




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> I dont want to be kicked off the project for supporting a branch
> either, that is a dangerous idea, where will it end?

Kicked off? No one is being kicked off, least of all you. Actually, the =
opposite, in a way, but the key point here, don't you think, is to =
accept that TDF and LO are no longer OpenOffice.org? As we invite all to =
work on OOo, ODF (including Msft, of course) and related technologies, =
so we, the OOo community, welcome contributions from TDF and LO. But the =
first step is, I think, the acceptance that TDF and LO differ in =
identity from OOo.
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> Also, I would like to say that it has been very hard to find
> translator for ooo, because it is so huge. I would like to suggest
> that we merge strings with abiword that has been translated already
> into albanian. Really, It would be nice to have a cut down version of
> open office that does not have so many strings to translate or reuses
> strings from other projects. It is very hard to find people for this
> huge task.

:-)
I'm all for huge tasks. Just takes huge set of resources. Do you think =
splitting the community and declaring a fork was the way to do it? I =
don't.=20

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> thanks,
> mike

best
Louis


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> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Charles-H. Schulz
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Louis,
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>> Le Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:32:28 -0400,
>> Louis Su=E1rez-Potts <[email protected]> a =E9crit :
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>>> All,
>>> I have asked that Charles Schulz recuse himself from his role as =
lead
>>> of the NLC category because of the confusion his new role outside of
>>> OpenOffice.org would produce in the minds of contributors and users.
>>> I have not received an answer, so I must presume one, that he would
>>> act with good grace and recognize the impossibility of his dual =
roles.
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>> I am afraid you are presuming the wrong way.
>> I am sorry not to have given you an answer earlier publicly, but I am
>> not going away. Your takeover of my position is simply not right, =
does
>> not match any of our guidelines and implies a lot of nebulous things:
>> confusion with my new role? Please define why my new role would
>> confuse the OpenOffice.org community. I think my new role is quite
>> clear; the fact that I will eventually leave, on my own accord and
>> terms should also be clear.
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>> Louis, I am not employed by Oracle: you cannot "fire" me nor anyone
>> like you're trying to do. This is extravagant and outlines a deep
>> misunderstanding of community "management".
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>>> As lead I will continue to do what I normally do as the co-lead of
>>> the NLC=97the admin, policy, outreach=97plus the engagement of new
>>> members interested in setting up projects in their native language.
>>> Only, I'll do this now as Lead of the category. (There is no real
>>> apparatus for formal vote here=85.)
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>> There might not be any, but I'd be interested to know what other =
think
>> about both the legitimity of your move, let alone of its legality.
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>>> And there is a fair amount that does need to be done, as OOo is
>>> gaining enormous momentum around the world and as you, the NLC
>>> projects, are elemental to that!
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>> Sorry Louis, no pun intended, but... who are you talking about? This =
is
>> becoming pathetic.
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>> Charles-H. Schulz.
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>>> best,
>>> Louis
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