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Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:20 PM,<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:16 AM,<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> To be honest, I don't see why Apache can't continue using the existing
>>>> infrastructure on openoffice.org? incubator.apache.org sounds, to me,
>>>> like
>>>> something which is in the early stages of development - which OOo
>>>> certainly
>>>> isn't! I know the page at http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>>>> explains otherwise, but if I were not already familiar with OOo I
>>>> probably
>>>> wouldn't even have read that far.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can read more about Apache Incubation here:
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
>>>
>>> All projects that go through Incubation at Apache are already
>>> established open source projects. Incubation is not a place to start
>>> a new codebase. Apache Labs is where brand new ideas can start.
>>>
>>> So the point of Incubation for OOo is not that OOo is new, but that it
>>> is new to Apache and needs some extra attention to conform to the
>>> Apache license, integrate with Apache infrastructure and understand
>>> how Apache projects are run.
>>
>> I understand that. But if I were a new user looking at that page, who was
>> not familiar with OpenOffice.org nor Apache's meaning of "incubation", I
>> would probably think the software is not well developed and not look at it
>> any further. I might not have even opened a link to the page, reading
>> "incubator" in the address and assuming it to be under-developed, or if I
>> did I may not read past the first sentence which described the project as an
>> "effort undergoing incubation" - sounds like it is not yet a successful
>> project.
>>
>
> Why would a user be looking at the Apache incubation page? A user is
> going to go to the OpenOffice.org site, right?
I thought I saw something on this mailing list saying that
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ is now the site to go to for
information about OOo. Perhaps I misunderstood.
>>> I can't really answer your cosmic "why?" question. We must take it as
>>> a given fact that Oracle has contributed OOo to Apache and that Oracle
>>> will be shutting down their hosting of the website. Once those facts
>>> are acknowledged -- even if you disagree with those decisions or how
>>> they were made -- the rest of this, including Apache Incubation and
>>> list migration, follows naturally.
>>
>> Oracle have handed over the software, including the OpenOffice.org name and
>> branding, but not the openoffice.org domain nor the existing web and email
>> list infrastructure? That will also cause confusion, if Apache still call
>> the software OpenOffice.org, but there is no up-to-date web site for it at
>> openoffice.org!
>>
>
> They have transferred the domain name as well. But not the servers.
> So we can set up new servers to have parallel content and services,
> but this is not as simple as just copying files over.
>
> In the end I expect there will still be an openoffice.org where end
> users will go to download and learn about OpenOffice.
OK. I must have misunderstood, as I thought the site at openoffice.org
was going to be shut down along with the mailing lists. Perhaps I had
just incorrectly assumed that since the mailing lists were moving from
openoffice.org to incubator.apache.org that the web site was too.
I notice the pages at:
http://support.openoffice.org/index.html
and:
http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html
still direct users to subscribe to this mailing list for support. I
don't know if you have any control over the content of those pages at
the moment though, if they're still hosted by Oracle...?
>>>> That page also states that "Incubation is required of all newly accepted
>>>> projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure,
>>>> communications, and decision making process have stabilized in a manner
>>>> consistent with other successful ASF projects."
>>>>
>>>> Does this mean the infrastructure, mailing list addresses, etc. are going
>>>> to
>>>> change *again* once they have stabilized? If that's the case, why not use
>>>> the existing infrastructure at openoffice.org until Apache are ready to
>>>> roll
>>>> out whatever new infrastructure they want to put in place?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Once a project graduates from Incubation it becomes a "top level
>>> project" or TLP. At that point the mailing lists will change again,
>>> e.g. [email protected],org would become
>>> [email protected]. We can probably make that transition
>>> easy for subscribers, since it will be still within the same list
>>> infrastructure.
>>
>> So we're expected to subscribe to [email protected] now, and
>> will soon be expected to subscribe yet again to
>> [email protected]... (or at least change the address we send email
>> to, again)
>>
>
> Yes, I think you have the idea. Change addresses now, and once again
> in maybe 6 months. This will require sending two emails, one now to
> [email protected], and another one in around 6
> months to [email protected].
>
> This will be confusing to some users, so I will make sure that we post
> detailed instructions, to the list and the website, when the time
> comes.
>
>> I'm sorry to say, I will also be looking at joining those moving over to
>> LibreOffice (not that I contribute anywhere near as much here as some others
>> do). If nothing else, it seems to be much more stable in terms of supporting
>> infrastructure, and even who owns it!
>>
>
> That is fine. But you should know that moving to LibreOffice will
> require subscribing to a different mailing list as well, So you
> cannot entirely escape this inconvenience.
True, but at least it's just one change now (which I'll have to make one
way or another anyway), and not another in a few months, and who knows
how many more changes as OOo is passed around...
Thanks for clarifying a few points here.
Mark.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Mark.
>>>>
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