RES: RES: Translation of OTRS manual to pt_BR
"Carlos Xavier" <[email protected]> Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:09:05 -0300
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1939441358== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CE36D7.60A66830" Content-Language: pt-br This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CE36D7.60A66830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike. =20 I found a missing opening tag that I think it=92s the cause of the = warnings. I=92m using Poedit to translate the file, before sending it I verified = the file with Poedit and no errors were found. How can I check the file before submitting? =20 Regards, Carlos. =20 =20 De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Em nome de = Martin Gruner Enviada em: quinta-feira, 11 de abril de 2013 04:29 Para: Internationalization mailing list of OTRS.org Assunto: Re: [otrs-i18n] RES: Translation of OTRS manual to pt_BR =20 Hi Carlos, very cool! I added your file to git and updated it to match the latest = state of the documentation. You can find the new version to proceed with here: https://github.com/OTRS/doc-admin/blob/master/i18n/doc-admin.pt_BR.po There are some small errors in the content, can you check the = corresponding strings please? pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:575: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: para line 570 and application application>cron</application> para Windows. Por essa raz=E3o, voc=EA = s=F3 deve ^ pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:579: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: important line 569 and para </para> ^ pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:580: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: section line 547 and important </important> ^ pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:583: parser error : Extra = content at the end of the document </section> ^ pt_BR/content/installation-and-basic-configuration.xml:30: element = include: XInclude error : could not load pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml, = and no fallback was found In General, if you have some XML tags like: This is <important>very important</important> text. then they also need to be in the same way in the translated file, and = the tags should NOT be translated, like this: Das ist <important>sehr wichtiger</important> Text. Could you check this please? Feel free to send more updates to verify = your changes, if you want. Best regards, mg Am 10.04.13 21:23, schrieb Carlos Xavier: Hi Mike. =20 I grabbed the file you pointed me and started the work all over again. Since I already got some job done, I=92m sending it attached. Now I=B4m wondering, after all the things on the right place, if the documentation got updated the file I=92m sending to the list will be = updated too? =20 Regards, Carlos =20 =20 De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Em nome de = Michiel Beijen Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de mar=E7o de 2013 10:56 Para: Internationalization mailing list of OTRS.org Assunto: Re: [otrs-i18n] Translation of OTRS manual to pt_BR =20 Hi Carlos, =20 Thanks for the initiative! =20 Your URL point to the old version of the developer docs.=20 =20 If you look at this: http://doc.otrs.org/developer/3.1/en/html/translating-docs.html you'd = see the documentation is now on Github; source.otrs.org still exists but is = not up-to-date for modules that have been moved to Git. This is probably also the reason why your files seem out-of-date: they actually are! =20 (BTW there is no specific 3.2 developer documentation, we might want to = make just one 'OTRS Developer' handbook no longer tied to a specific version) =20 We'd only need the .po file. If you wish you can send it via this list, = or you can send it via a github pull request if you have the skills for = that.=20 If you make some progress we can configure http://doc.otrs.org/3.2/pt_BR/html/ or so to contain your work, so you = can check it on the web, and if you near completion we can add it to the = list of available languages. =20 HTH, -- Mike On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Carlos Xavier = <[email protected]> wrote: Hello. I started a translation task of OTRS manual. I followed the instructions from here http://doc.otrs.org/developer/3.0/en/html/translating-docs.html and downloaded this file: Revision 1.34 - (view) (download) (as text) - [select for diffs] Wed Feb 6 14:43:56 2013 UTC (7 weeks ago) by mg Branch: MAIN CVS Tags: HEAD Changes since 1.33: +457 -450 lines Diff to previous 1.33 Synchronized language version I renamed the file to doc-admin.pt_BR.po and I'm working on it. As I already have some work done I got some questions. The first is, Am I with the correct file for translation or I picked the wrong one? Looking deeper on the original file, it seams some lines aren't on the = same order they are displayed on the web. This can be seen for example on the line 1803 of the file, is that correct? How can I send the translated job done? Do I have to send both .po and = .mo files? There will be a place where I can see how the work is going on? 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color:black;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:70.85pt 3.0cm 70.85pt 3.0cm;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=3Dwhite = lang=3DPT-BR link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Hi Mike.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>I found a missing opening tag that I think it’s the cause of = the warnings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>I’m using Poedit to translate the file, before sending it I = verified the file with Poedit and no errors were = found.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>How can I check the file before submitting?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Carlos.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF = 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt= ext'>De:</span></b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt= ext'> [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] <b>Em nome de = </b>Martin Gruner<br><b>Enviada em:</b> quinta-feira, 11 de abril de = 2013 04:29<br><b>Para:</b> Internationalization mailing list of = OTRS.org<br><b>Assunto:</b> Re: [otrs-i18n] RES: Translation of OTRS = manual to pt_BR<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Carlos,<br><br>very cool! I added your = file to git and updated it to match the latest state of the = documentation. You can find the new version to proceed with here:<br><a = href=3D"https://github.com/OTRS/doc-admin/blob/master/i18n/doc-admin.pt_B= R.po">https://github.com/OTRS/doc-admin/blob/master/i18n/doc-admin.pt_BR.= po</a><br><br>There are some small errors in the content, can you check = the corresponding strings please?<br><br><tt><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:575: = parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: para line 570 and = application</span></tt><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier = New"'><br><tt>application>cron</application> para Windows. Por = essa raz=E3o, voc=EA s=F3 = deve</tt><br><tt> &n= bsp; &nb= sp; = ^</tt><br><tt>pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:579: parser error = : Opening and ending tag mismatch: important line 569 and = para</tt><br><tt></para></tt><br><tt> = ^</tt><br><tt>pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:580: parser = error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: section line 547 and = important</tt><br><tt></important></tt><br><tt> &n= bsp; = ^</tt><br><tt>pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml:583: parser error = : Extra content at the end of the = document</tt><br><tt></section></tt><br><tt>^</tt><br><tt>pt_BR/con= tent/installation-and-basic-configuration.xml:30: element include: = XInclude error : could not load pt_BR/content/installation/packages.xml, = and no fallback was found</tt></span><br><br>In General, if you have = some XML tags like:<br><br> This is = <important>very important</important> text.<br><br>then they = also need to be in the same way in the translated file, and the tags = should NOT be translated, like this:<br><br> Das ist = <important>sehr wichtiger</important> Text.<br><br>Could you = check this please? Feel free to send more updates to verify your = changes, if you want.<br><br>Best regards, mg<o:p></o:p></p><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Am 10.04.13 21:23, schrieb Carlos = Xavier:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Hi Mike.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>I grabbed the file you pointed me and started the work all over = again. Since I already got some job done, I’m sending it = attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Now I=B4m wondering, after all the things on the right place, if the = documentation got updated the file I’m sending to the list will be = updated too?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Carlos</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF = 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></= b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</a>] = <b>Em nome de </b>Michiel Beijen<br><b>Enviada em:</b> quinta-feira, 28 = de mar=E7o de 2013 10:56<br><b>Para:</b> Internationalization mailing = list of OTRS.org<br><b>Assunto:</b> Re: [otrs-i18n] Translation of OTRS = manual to pt_BR</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi = Carlos,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks for the initiative!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Your URL point to the old version of the = developer docs. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>If you look at this: <a = href=3D"http://doc.otrs.org/developer/3.1/en/html/translating-docs.html">= http://doc.otrs.org/developer/3.1/en/html/translating-docs.html</a> = you'd see the documentation is now on Github; <a = href=3D"http://source.otrs.org">source.otrs.org</a> still exists but is = not up-to-date for modules that have been moved to = Git.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>This is probably also = the reason why your files seem out-of-date: they actually = are!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>(BTW there is no specific 3.2 developer documentation, = we might want to make just one 'OTRS Developer' handbook no longer tied = to a specific version)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>We'd only need the .po file. If you wish you can send = it via this list, or you can send it via a github pull request if you = have the skills for that. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>If you make some progress we can configure <a = href=3D"http://doc.otrs.org/3.2/pt_BR/html/">http://doc.otrs.org/3.2/pt_B= R/html/</a> or so to contain your work, so you can check it on the = web, and if you near completion we can add it to the list of available = languages.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>HTH,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Mike<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On = Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Carlos Xavier <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello.<br><br>I started a = translation task of OTRS manual. I followed the instructions from = here<br><a = href=3D"http://doc.otrs.org/developer/3.0/en/html/translating-docs.html" = target=3D"_blank">http://doc.otrs.org/developer/3.0/en/html/translating-d= ocs.html</a> and downloaded this file:<br><br>Revision 1.34 - (view) = (download) (as text) - [select for diffs]<br>Wed Feb 6 14:43:56 2013 UTC = (7 weeks ago) by mg<br>Branch: MAIN<br>CVS Tags: HEAD<br>Changes since = 1.33: +457 -450 lines<br>Diff to previous 1.33<br>Synchronized language = version<br><br>I renamed the file to doc-admin.pt_BR.po and I'm working = on it.<br>As I already have some work done I got some questions.<br>The = first is, Am I with the correct file for translation or I picked the = wrong one?<br>Looking deeper on the original file, it seams some lines = aren't on the same order they are displayed on the web. This can be = seen<br>for example on the line 1803 of the file, is that = correct?<br>How can I send the translated job done? Do I have to send = both .po and .mo files?<br>There will be a place where I can see how the = work is going = on?<br><br>Regards,<br>Carlos.<br><br>-----------------------------------= ----------------------------------<br>OTRS mailing list: i18n - Webpage: = <a href=3D"http://otrs.org/" = target=3D"_blank">http://otrs.org/</a><br>Archive: <a = href=3D"http://lists.otrs.org/pipermail/i18n" = target=3D"_blank">http://lists.otrs.org/pipermail/i18n</a><br>To = unsubscribe: <a href=3D"http://lists.otrs.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/i18n" = target=3D"_blank">http://lists.otrs.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/i18n</a><o:p></o= :p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-----------------------= ----------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>OTRS = mailing list: i18n - Webpage: <a = href=3D"http://otrs.org/">http://otrs.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Archi= ve: <a = href=3D"http://lists.otrs.org/pipermail/i18n">http://lists.otrs.org/piper= mail/i18n</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To unsubscribe: <a = href=3D"http://lists.otrs.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/i18n">http://lists.otrs.or= g/cgi-bin/listinfo/i18n</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p = class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- = <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Martin Gruner<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Senior = Developer R&D<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>OTRS = AG<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Europaring 4<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>94315 = Straubing<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>T: +49 = (0)6172 681988 0<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>F: +49 (0)9421 56818 = 18<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I:=A0 <a = href=3D"http://www.otrs.com/">www.otrs.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p= > </o:p></pre><pre>Gesch=E4ftssitz: Bad Homburg, Amtsgericht: Bad = Homburg, HRB 10751, USt-Nr.: = DE256610065<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Burchard = Steinbild, Vorstand: Andr=E9 Mindermann (Vorsitzender), Christopher = Kuhn, Sabine = Riedel<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Mehr als ein = Help Desk-System – Prozess- und Kundenmanagement mit OTRS 3.2 = – Jetzt Fr=FChbucherrabatt sichern:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a = href=3D"http://www.otrs.com/de/loesungen/promotion/otrs-help-desk-32-spec= ial/">http://www.otrs.com/de/loesungen/promotion/otrs-help-desk-32-specia= l/</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CE36D7.60A66830-- --===============1939441358== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --------------------------------------------------------------------- OTRS mailing list: i18n - Webpage: http://otrs.org/ Archive: http://lists.otrs.org/pipermail/i18n To unsubscribe: http://lists.otrs.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/i18n --===============1939441358==--