Re: [PHP-DEV] AI generated mails

در تاریخ سه‌شنبه ۲۵ اوت ۲۰۲۶، ۰۰:۵۳ سپهر محمودی <[email protected]> نوشت:

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> در تاریخ دوشنبه ۲۴ اوت ۲۰۲۶، ۲۳:۳۴ Weilin Du <[email protected]> نوشت:
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>> Hi Christian, sepehr, Yuya and Osama,
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>> We have a AI policy for Github comments already [1]. If you want
>> to expand it to e-mails and PRs, feel free to open a policy RFC.
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>> Personally, I am okay with AIGC. Fundamentally AI is a tool, and
>> clearly a useful one. In this thread, I think you treat "use AI or not"
>> in comments as a "Proof of work" in this era.  In most cases, people
>> using AI to generate text seems to put less effort in it, that's true,
>> but I don't agree with some of the "progressive" AI policy you've
>> mentioned in other projects. As a maintainer of the intl extension,
>> I'd focus more on the code quality itself rather than whether it's
>> AI-generated code or comments. I frankly don't agree with the
>> proposal to ban AI in the php internals.
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>> That being said, I feel disgust to communicate with soul-less
>> contributors who entirely use AI without any critical thinking.
>> However, it depends. If one can use AI to generate good code
>> and idea, I am glad to work with these people. I don't see the
>> benefit to completely ban AIGC in the project.
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>> Also to sepehr: Thank you for your interest in the intl extension!
>> To get you started: in the extension, some constant can be enums.
>> And, I would be in favor of appropriate namespaces to avoid conflicts
>> in the extension's class that make things clearer. Maybe that is a good
>> RFC idea in 8.7 that needs someone to work on. Also, it is still in
>> progress to fill in the little blanks between php APIs and ICU APIs. It
>> might to a good way to start if you want to add new functions/methods.
>> Not to mention the error state stuff in the extension is, frankly, bad, in
>> my opinion, and could be optimized since it has caused a lot of very
>> stupid bugs and make my life harder :( There are still bugs and PRs on
>> Github you can help with, the list goes on and on and on...
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>> There are tons of things you can do :) This goes to everyone who want to
>> contribute to the extension.
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>> Cheers,
>> Weilin Du, [email protected]
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>> [1]:
>> https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#llm-usage-in-github-comments
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> Hi Weilin,
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> Thank you so much for the warm welcome and for sharing your thoughts!
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> I completely agree with your perspective on AI. It's a fantastic tool that
> boosts productivity, but critical thinking, deeply understanding the logic,
> and ensuring code quality must always come first. I always make sure to
> fully understand and test every line of code I contribute.
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> Your suggestions for ext/intl in PHP 8.7—like transitioning constants to
> Enums, introducing proper Namespaces, and improving the error state
> handling—are absolutely great ideas.
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> Right now, I am entirely focused on finalizing my RFC for
> `array_str_contains` (and related functions) and getting its PR ready.
> However, I am very interested in exploring those intl improvements for PHP
> 8.7 right after I wrap this up.
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> Thanks again for the support and for pointing me in the right direction!
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> Best regards,
> Sepehr Mahmoudi
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Hi everyone,

Regarding the topic of AI: In my opinion, AI tends to write text in a very
literary and formal manner, which makes it useful for that specific
purpose. However, if one wants to use it for coding—which I personally do
not do—it requires giving it exact, step-by-step instructions to get the
desired result.

While some developers might choose to use AI for their code, my personal
approach is different. I prefer to work entirely independently and rely on
my own skills for both coding and communications.

Hopefully, after finalizing my current RFC (`array_str_contains`), I will
begin my work on the `intl` extension.

Best regards,
Sepehr


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