Re: Another Drupal vs WordPress question
Tomasz Kisielewski <[email protected]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:29:49 +0000
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--===============6268641096653090490== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3f7ce4ca7810511951b92 --001a11c3f7ce4ca7810511951b92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WordPress is the most popular, but it does mean it is the best target for all sort of hackers. Also big freedom in codding means WP sometimes is very messy, content types and logic built into theme, etc. Easy for themming and very entry php required to write "someting that works". For content editing WP is very good and end user experience is great. Drupal and content editing/updating/user experience is basically still rubbish, but the rest is just excellent. You may try Joomla! 3. It is good cms and out of the box has got all you need to build website. Joomla has got quite good selection of frameworks which really speed up development. Joomla is responsive out of the box, built upon bootstrap, MVC architecture, Writing extensions may be pain in the...,but if you like learning you might even enjoy it.Personally I like Joomla and Drupal. I am still not convinced about WordPress On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Keith Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Creating a minimal CMS could take 100 hours. I've done this. Lots of > work. Plus side is if you do it correctly it will be secure and run for > years without any modifications. It will lightening fast and easy to > install and configure. > > Downside is it takes a lot of work and advanced programming knowledge > such as .htaccess and one point of entry - your root index file. And > you will need to understand how to secure your code from direct access > as well as sanitize any visitor input. And you will not have any free > templates to work with. It will be more difficult to grow a site using > a do it yourself CMS. > > Security is a real problem for open source. Once a vulnerability is > found all they have to do is find that app and apply the vulnerability. > Grow your own CMS would not be open source so it would be more difficult > to crack from this perspective. > > We just saw this type of issue with Drupal about 4 months ago. > > Drupal and WordPress are resource hogs. A do it yourself CMS would be > minimalistic and very efficient and would run on any server. > > Any way you go you will have trade offs. One must be careful to not > shoot one self in the foot so to speak. > > > > On 2015-03-18 12:12, Drupal wrote: > > I=E2=80=99m gonna maintain the site(s) (one point, if there is dozen of= the > > similar sites,does it make difference?), CMS, do updates... but =E2=80= =9Cthey=E2=80=9D > > will maintain the content. > > Budget is low to nonexistent. > > There is no cost difference which CMS I=E2=80=99m gonna select. > > Some SEO work would/should be done, but not a decision making key. > > Is the CMS necessary? I was thinking about to code by myself but it > > would take more time and it=E2=80=99s always security issue - that=E2= =80=99s why is > > community for :-) > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Borwick, James Bryce > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> It depends. Who is going to maintain it? And is there a maintenance > >> budget? If it's a build and walk away situation, it may not be free > >> for them when something breaks or the organization needs a design or > >> content update. If the budget is low to nonexistent, what is the cost > >> of Drupal vs. WP developers? Which are easier to find? For really > >> basic stuff is a CMS necessary? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >> On Behalf Of Drupal > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:33 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [support] Another Drupal vs WordPress question > >> > >> Hi to all, > >> Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use > >> Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher > >> beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites > >> I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, > >> Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. > >> So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would > >> WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is > >> "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit > >> asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if > >> possible, would you still build it on Drupal? > >> > >> Thanks for any input, > >> afan > >> -- > >> [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] > >> -- > >> [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] > > -- > Keith Smith > -- > [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] > --=20 web design and development www.tkstudiodesign.com --001a11c3f7ce4ca7810511951b92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">WordPress is the most popular, but it does mean it is the = best target for all sort of hackers. Also big freedom in codding means WP s= ometimes is very messy, content types and logic built into theme, etc. Easy= for themming and very entry php required to write "someting that work= s". For content editing WP is very good and end user experience is gre= at. Drupal and content editing/updating/user experience is basically still = rubbish, but the rest is just excellent. You may try Joomla! 3. It is good = cms and out of the box has got all you need to build website. Joomla has go= t quite good selection of frameworks which really speed up development. Joo= mla is responsive out of the box, built upon bootstrap, MVC architecture, W= riting extensions may be pain in the...,but if you like learning you might = even enjoy it.Personally I like Joomla and Drupal. I am still not convinced= about WordPress<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai= l_quote">On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Keith Smith <span dir=3D"ltr"><= ;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">techlists@p= hpcoderusa.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Crea= ting a minimal CMS could take 100 hours.=C2=A0 I've done this.=C2=A0 Lo= ts of<br> work.=C2=A0 Plus side is if you do it correctly it will be secure and run f= or<br> years without any modifications.=C2=A0 It will lightening fast and easy to<= br> install and configure.<br> <br> Downside is it takes a lot of work and advanced programming knowledge<br> such as .htaccess and one point of entry - your root index file.=C2=A0 And<= br> you will need to understand how to secure your code from direct access<br> as well as sanitize any visitor input. And you will not have any free<br> templates to work with.=C2=A0 It will be more difficult to grow a site usin= g<br> a do it yourself CMS.<br> <br> Security is a real problem for open source.=C2=A0 Once a vulnerability is<b= r> found all they have to do is find that app and apply the vulnerability.<br> Grow your own CMS would not be open source so it would be more difficult<br= > to crack from this perspective.<br> <br> We just saw this type of issue with Drupal about 4 months ago.<br> <br> Drupal and WordPress are resource hogs.=C2=A0 A do it yourself CMS would be= <br> minimalistic and very efficient and would run on any server.<br> <br> Any way you go you will have trade offs. One must be careful to not<br> shoot one self in the foot so to speak.<br> <div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> On 2015-03-18 12:12, Drupal wrote:<br> > I=E2=80=99m gonna maintain the site(s) (one point, if there is dozen o= f the<br> > similar sites,does it make difference?), CMS, do updates... but =E2=80= =9Cthey=E2=80=9D<br> > will maintain the content.<br> > Budget is low to nonexistent.<br> > There is no cost difference which CMS I=E2=80=99m gonna select.<br> > Some SEO work would/should be done, but not a decision making key.<br> > Is the CMS necessary? I was thinking about to code by myself but it<br= > > would take more time and it=E2=80=99s always security issue - that=E2= =80=99s why is<br> > community for :-)<br> ><br> > Thanks.<br> ><br> ><br> > On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Borwick, James Bryce<br> > <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</= a>> wrote:<br> ><br> >> It depends. Who is going to maintain it? And is there a maintenanc= e<br> >> budget? If it's a build and walk away situation, it may not be= free<br> >> for them when something breaks or the organization needs a design = or<br> >> content update. If the budget is low to nonexistent, what is the c= ost<br> >> of Drupal vs. WP developers? Which are easier to find? For really<= br> >> basic stuff is a CMS necessary?<br> >><br> >> -----Original Message-----<br> >> From: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">support-bounce= [email protected]</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">supp= [email protected]</a>]<br> >> On Behalf Of Drupal<br> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:33 AM<br> >> To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><b= r> >> Subject: [support] Another Drupal vs WordPress question<br> >><br> >> Hi to all,<br> >> Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I u= se<br> >> Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "= higher<br> >> beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro = websites<br> >> I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Bas= ic,<br> >> Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard.= <br> >> So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?"= ; When would<br> >> WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where= is<br> >> "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a sm= all nonprofit<br> >> asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if= <br> >> possible, would you still build it on Drupal?<br> >><br> >> Thanks for any input,<br> >> afan<br> >> --<br> >> [ Drupal support list | <a href=3D"http://lists.drupal.org/" targe= t=3D"_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/</a> ]<br> >> --<br> >> [ Drupal support list | <a href=3D"http://lists.drupal.org/" targe= t=3D"_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/</a> ]<br> <br> --<br> </div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Keith Smith<br> </font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">--<br> [ Drupal support list | <a href=3D"http://lists.drupal.org/" target=3D"_bla= nk">http://lists.drupal.org/</a> ]</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br cl= ear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div= ><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"text-align:center"><img src=3D"http://www.t= kstudiodesign.com/sites/default/files/tksdLogo_0.jpg"><br></div><br><div st= yle=3D"text-align:center"><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(68,68,68)"><f= ont size=3D"4"><span style=3D"color:rgb(102,102,102)"><span style=3D"color:= rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span><span s= tyle=3D"background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"></span></span></span><span style= =3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">web design</span></span></span><span= style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> and development</span></font>= </span><br><br><span style=3D"color:rgb(255,0,0)"><a href=3D"http://www.tks= tudiodesign.com" target=3D"_blank">www.tkstudiodesign.com</a></span><br></d= iv><br><br><br></div></div></div></div> </div> --001a11c3f7ce4ca7810511951b92-- --===============6268641096653090490== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] --===============6268641096653090490==--