Re: proposed "headline" items for groff 1.24.0

On Thursday, 29 January 2026 20:40:52 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2026-01-28T22:15:21-0500, Peter Schaffter wrote:
> > I didn't know.  I thought we'd resolved family issues when we switched
> > N and P for U-N and U-P ages ago.  At the time, I proposed simply
> > editing the document to use families that didn't cause trouble.  I
> > can't recall why, but I was discouraged from pursuing that path.  I
> > propose it again if it simplifies things.
> 
> If I understand this Base 14 vs. Base 35 stuff correctly, it _wouldn't_
> help, or not much.  Families N and P aren't in the Base 14 set, so
> they'd need to be embedded in PDF anyway, and if their font files
> weren't found, such embedding is not going to happen.
> 
> Maybe Deri can shed some light on why the foundry was made explicit.  A
> quick glance over "typesetting.pdf" suggests to me that you're _not_
> using exotic glyphs.  What you do use--I assume--is satisfied by the
> 256 glyphs of Adobe's N and P families.
> 
> Regards,
> Branden

With groff in intermediate mode (urw no, gs yes) all the 256 glyph default 
foundry fonts are available and can also be embedded. So you can use N & P.

In basic mode (urw no, gs no) if you want typesetting.mom built stick to H, T, 
C families. Of course  you could do something like:-

.ie F NR .FAM N
.el .FAM H

Which would work in all pdf modes and ps would always use N (because NR is 
always available).

Cheers

Deri