AOP Quality measurements
Kotrappa Sirbi <[email protected]> Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:41:33 +0530
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What are research contributions expected here ?* *Is it, we need to validate this statement through empirical studies and experimentation or what are other options for research.* *Please some body can this problem, i need answer (defence) from experts .* *Thanks* *S Kotrappa * * * ** On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 10:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://aosd.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss_aosd.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How to define Scattering? (Marc Eaddy) > 2. Re: How to define Scattering? (Eduardo Figueiredo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:15:12 -0500 > From: "Marc Eaddy" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering? > To: "'Dipankar Majumdar'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <00dd01c86cfb$9256c3d0$b7044b70$@edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Dipankar, > > Great question! "Scattering" means that a concern is implemented > by > more than one program element. However, this all depends on how you define > "concern," "implemented," and "program element." If you define a program > element as the entire program A, no concerns are scattered. If you define > a > program element as the individual tokens of program A, most concerns are > scattered. A concern may be scattered in program A and not in program B. > > Scattering also depends on the granularity of the concern. For > example, a feature concern such as "Draw shapes" is at a higher level of > granularity than "Draw circles." In general, scattering is proportional to > concern granularity level and inversely proportional to program element > granularity level. > > Probably most troublesome is that "implements" is not an easy > relationship to decide. What does it mean to say a piece of code > implements > a concern? Does the Main function implement every concern? (If so, every > concern is scattered.) Determining the relationship between concerns and > code is called the concept assignment problem. It is undecidable in > general. > > Several researchers have created metrics to measure scattering: > > F. C. Filho, N. Cacho, E. Figueiredo, R. Maranhao, A. Garcia, and C. M. F. > Rubira, "Exceptions and Aspects: The Devil is in the Details," Foundations > of Software Engineering (FSE), 2006. > > M. Eaddy, T. Zimmermann, K.D. Sherwood, V. Garg, G.C. Murphy, N. Nagappan, > and A. Aho, "Do Crosscutting Concerns Cause Defects?," in submission, > September 2007. > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~eaddy/publications/DoCrosscuttingConcernsCauseDe > fects-JournalSubmission.pdf > > Cheers, > > Marc Eaddy > PhD Student > Columbia University > http://www.columbia.edu/~me133 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dipankar Majumdar [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:15 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering? > > > > Hi All, > > I am working on Aspect Mining at Jadavpur University, India. It is well > > known that 'Scattering' is one of the principal characteristics of any > > Aspect. Can you please let me know, what is the formal definition of > > Scattering? Or in other words what are the symptoms that we look for, > > in order to tell whether a particular 'block of code' is scattered? > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dipankar Majumdar > > Dept. of Information Tech. > > B.P. Poddar Instt of Mgmt & Tech. > > Kolkata - 700052 > > India > > ________________________________ > > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail > > <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en- > > us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp00050000000001> ! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:08:17 +0000 > From: "Eduardo Figueiredo" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering? > To: "Dipankar Majumdar" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Dipankar, > > Following up on Marc's trail, you might be interested in a survey of > metrics for quantifying concern scattering/tanling we have recently > concluded. We have defined a set of criteria for analysing scattering > in addition to the concern granularity and program elements under > consideration. > > E. Figueiredo, C. Sant'Anna, A. Garcia, T. Bartolomei, W. Cazzola, > and A. Marchetto. "On the Maintainability of Aspect-Oriented Software: > A Concern-Oriented Measurement Framework". Proc. 12nd European Conf. > Software Maintenance and Reengineering (CSMR), Athens, Greece, April 2008. > > http://www.lancs.ac.uk/postgrad/figueire/publications/csmr08ready.pdf > > Cheers, > Eduardo. > > > On 11/02/2008, Marc Eaddy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Dipankar, > > > > Great question! "Scattering" means that a concern is > implemented by > > more than one program element. However, this all depends on how you > define > > "concern," "implemented," and "program element." If you define a program > > element as the entire program A, no concerns are scattered. If you > define a > > program element as the individual tokens of program A, most concerns are > > scattered. A concern may be scattered in program A and not in program B. > > > > Scattering also depends on the granularity of the concern. For > > example, a feature concern such as "Draw shapes" is at a higher level of > > granularity than "Draw circles." In general, scattering is proportional > to > > concern granularity level and inversely proportional to program element > > granularity level. > > > > Probably most troublesome is that "implements" is not an easy > > relationship to decide. What does it mean to say a piece of code > implements > > a concern? Does the Main function implement every concern? (If so, every > > concern is scattered.) Determining the relationship between concerns and > > code is called the concept assignment problem. It is undecidable in > > general. > > > > Several researchers have created metrics to measure scattering: > > > > F. C. Filho, N. Cacho, E. Figueiredo, R. Maranhao, A. Garcia, and C. M. > F. > > Rubira, "Exceptions and Aspects: The Devil is in the Details," > Foundations > > of Software Engineering (FSE), 2006. > > > > M. Eaddy, T. Zimmermann, K.D. Sherwood, V. Garg, G.C. Murphy, N. > Nagappan, > > and A. Aho, "Do Crosscutting Concerns Cause Defects?," in submission, > > September 2007. > > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~eaddy/publications/DoCrosscuttingConcernsCauseDe > > fects-JournalSubmission.pdf > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc Eaddy > > PhD Student > > Columbia University > > http://www.columbia.edu/~me133 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dipankar Majumdar [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:15 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering? > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I am working on Aspect Mining at Jadavpur University, India. It is well > > > known that 'Scattering' is one of the principal characteristics of any > > > Aspect. Can you please let me know, what is the formal definition of > > > Scattering? Or in other words what are the symptoms that we look for, > > > in order to tell whether a particular 'block of code' is scattered? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Dipankar Majumdar > > > Dept. of Information Tech. > > > B.P. Poddar Instt of Mgmt & Tech. > > > Kolkata - 700052 > > > India > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail > > > <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en- > > > us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp00050000000001> ! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > discuss mailing list - [email protected] > > > > To unsubscribe and change options, go to: > > http://aosd.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss_aosd.net > > > > Check out the AOSD.net Wiki: http://aosd.net/wiki > > > > > -- > Eduardo Figueiredo > PhD Student in Computing > Lancaster University > http://www.lancs.ac.uk/postgrad/figueire/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > __________________________________________________ > AOSD Discuss mailing list - [email protected] > To unsubscribe go to http://aosd.net > > Check out the AOSD.net Wiki: http://aosd.net/wiki > > > > End of discuss Digest, Vol 53, Issue 3 > ************************************** > -- S Kotrappa Associate Professor in CSE B.E, M.S, M Tech(CSE),(Ph.D) Principal, KLE's BCA/MCA, RLS Institute , Belgaum, India Phone No.0831-2403774/75 --20cf307ca35ee8f4a404de73ab24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"> <p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><b><span styl= e=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif&quo= t;">Hi All <br></span></b></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;lin= e-height:normal"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",&q= uot;serif"">RQ :AOP technology is basically evolved for improvements o= f=A0 modularity and quality? What are research contributions expected here ?</span></b></p><p class=3D""= style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><b>Is it, we need to=A0 va= lidate this statement through empirical studies and experimentation or what= are other options for research.</b></p> <p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><br></p><p cl= ass=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><b>Please some bod= y can this problem, i need answer (defence) from experts .</b></p><p class= =3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"> <br></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><b>Th= anks</b></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><= br></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><b>S K= otrappa<br> </b></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:normal"><b> = =A0 </b><br></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:norma= l"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"= ,"serif""></span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&q= uot;Times New Roman","serif""></span></p> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 1= 2, 2008 at 10:30 PM, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:discuss-reque= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrot= e:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send discuss mailing list submissions to<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br= > <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"http://aosd.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss_aosd.ne= t" target=3D"_blank">http://aosd.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss_aosd.net</a><= br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">discuss-request= @aosd.net</a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">discuss-owner@aos= d.net</a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> =A0 =A01. Re: How to define Scattering? (Marc Eaddy)<br> =A0 =A02. Re: How to define Scattering? (Eduardo Figueiredo)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:15:12 -0500<br> From: "Marc Eaddy" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">me13= [email protected]</a>><br> Subject: Re: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering?<br> To: "'Dipankar Majumdar'" <<a href=3D"mailto:mdipankar= @aim.com">[email protected]</a>>, <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ">[email protected]</a>><br> Message-ID: <00dd01c86cfb$9256c3d0$b7044b70$@edu><br> Content-Type: text/plain; =A0 =A0 =A0 charset=3D"us-ascii"<br> <br> Hi Dipankar,<br> <br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Great question! =A0"Scattering" means that a conc= ern is implemented by<br> more than one program element. =A0However, this all depends on how you defi= ne<br> "concern," "implemented," and "program element.&qu= ot; =A0If you define a program<br> element as the entire program A, no concerns are scattered. =A0If you defin= e a<br> program element as the individual tokens of program A, most concerns are<br= > scattered. =A0A concern may be scattered in program A and not in program B.= <br> <br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Scattering also depends on the granularity of the concern. = =A0For<br> example, a feature concern such as "Draw shapes" is at a higher l= evel of<br> granularity than "Draw circles." =A0In general, scattering is pro= portional to<br> concern granularity level and inversely proportional to program element<br> granularity level.<br> <br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Probably most troublesome is that "implements" is= not an easy<br> relationship to decide. =A0What does it mean to say a piece of code impleme= nts<br> a concern? =A0Does the Main function implement every concern? (If so, every= <br> concern is scattered.) =A0Determining the relationship between concerns and= <br> code is called the concept assignment problem. =A0It is undecidable in<br> general.<br> <br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Several researchers have created metrics to measure scatter= ing:<br> <br> F. C. Filho, N. Cacho, E. Figueiredo, R. Maranhao, A. Garcia, and C. M. F.<= br> Rubira, "Exceptions and Aspects: The Devil is in the Details," Fo= undations<br> of Software Engineering (FSE), 2006.<br> <br> M. Eaddy, T. Zimmermann, K.D. Sherwood, V. Garg, G.C. Murphy, N. Nagappan,<= br> and A. Aho, "Do Crosscutting Concerns Cause Defects?," in submiss= ion,<br> September 2007.<br> <a href=3D"http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~eaddy/publications/DoCrosscuttingCon= cernsCauseDe fects-JournalSubmission.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~= eaddy/publications/DoCrosscuttingConcernsCauseDe<br> fects-JournalSubmission.pdf</a><br> <br> Cheers,<br> <br> Marc Eaddy<br> PhD Student<br> Columbia University<br> <a href=3D"http://www.columbia.edu/~me133" target=3D"_blank">http://www.col= umbia.edu/~me133</a><br> <br> > -----Original Message-----<br> > From: Dipankar Majumdar [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">m= [email protected]</a>]<br> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:15 PM<br> > To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> > Subject: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering?<br> ><br> > Hi All,<br> > I am working on Aspect Mining at Jadavpur University, India. It is wel= l<br> > known that 'Scattering' =A0is one of the principal characteris= tics of any<br> > Aspect. Can you please let me know, what is the formal definition of<b= r> > Scattering? Or in other words what are the symptoms that we look for,<= br> > in order to tell whether a particular 'block of code' is scatt= ered?<br> ><br> > Regards<br> ><br> ><br> > Dipankar Majumdar<br> > Dept. of Information Tech.<br> > B.P. Poddar Instt of Mgmt & Tech.<br> > Kolkata - 700052<br> > India<br> > ________________________________<br> ><br> > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail<br> > <<a href=3D"http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en= -" target=3D"_blank">http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/e= n-</a><br> > us/text.htm?ncid=3Daimcmp00050000000001> !<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 2<br> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:08:17 +0000<br> From: "Eduardo Figueiredo" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ">[email protected]</a>><br> Subject: Re: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering?<br> To: "Dipankar Majumdar" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">= [email protected]</a>>, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">discuss@aosd= .net</a><br> Message-ID:<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <<a href=3D"mailto:636f08400802111508nd44fc0eueb9e68b72f= [email protected]">[email protected]= il.com</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1<br> <br> Hi Dipankar,<br> <br> Following up on Marc's trail, you might be interested in a survey of<br= > metrics for quantifying concern scattering/tanling we have recently<br> concluded. We have defined a set of criteria for analysing scattering<br> in addition to the concern granularity and program elements under<br> consideration.<br> <br> E. Figueiredo, =A0C. Sant'Anna, A. Garcia, T. Bartolomei, W. Cazzola,<b= r> and A. Marchetto. "On the Maintainability of Aspect-Oriented Software:= <br> A Concern-Oriented Measurement Framework". Proc. 12nd European Conf.<b= r> Software Maintenance and Reengineering (CSMR), Athens, Greece, April 2008.<= br> <br> <a href=3D"http://www.lancs.ac.uk/postgrad/figueire/publications/csmr08read= y.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lancs.ac.uk/postgrad/figueire/publicati= ons/csmr08ready.pdf</a><br> <br> Cheers,<br> Eduardo.<br> <br> <br> On 11/02/2008, Marc Eaddy <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">me133@c= olumbia.edu</a>> wrote:<br> > Hi Dipankar,<br> ><br> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Great question! =A0"Scattering" means that a= concern is implemented by<br> > more than one program element. =A0However, this all depends on how you= define<br> > "concern," "implemented," and "program elemen= t." =A0If you define a program<br> > element as the entire program A, no concerns are scattered. =A0If you = define a<br> > program element as the individual tokens of program A, most concerns a= re<br> > scattered. =A0A concern may be scattered in program A and not in progr= am B.<br> ><br> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Scattering also depends on the granularity of the conc= ern. =A0For<br> > example, a feature concern such as "Draw shapes" is at a hig= her level of<br> > granularity than "Draw circles." =A0In general, scattering i= s proportional to<br> > concern granularity level and inversely proportional to program elemen= t<br> > granularity level.<br> ><br> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Probably most troublesome is that "implements&quo= t; is not an easy<br> > relationship to decide. =A0What does it mean to say a piece of code im= plements<br> > a concern? =A0Does the Main function implement every concern? (If so, = every<br> > concern is scattered.) =A0Determining the relationship between concern= s and<br> > code is called the concept assignment problem. =A0It is undecidable in= <br> > general.<br> ><br> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Several researchers have created metrics to measure sc= attering:<br> ><br> > F. C. Filho, N. Cacho, E. Figueiredo, R. Maranhao, A. Garcia, and C. M= . F.<br> > Rubira, "Exceptions and Aspects: The Devil is in the Details,&quo= t; Foundations<br> > of Software Engineering (FSE), 2006.<br> ><br> > M. Eaddy, T. Zimmermann, K.D. Sherwood, V. Garg, G.C. Murphy, N. Nagap= pan,<br> > and A. Aho, "Do Crosscutting Concerns Cause Defects?," in su= bmission,<br> > September 2007.<br> > <a href=3D"http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~eaddy/publications/DoCrosscutti= ngConcernsCauseDe" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~eaddy/publ= ications/DoCrosscuttingConcernsCauseDe</a><br> > fects-JournalSubmission.pdf<br> ><br> > Cheers,<br> ><br> > Marc Eaddy<br> > PhD Student<br> > Columbia University<br> > <a href=3D"http://www.columbia.edu/~me133" target=3D"_blank">http://ww= w.columbia.edu/~me133</a><br> ><br> > > -----Original Message-----<br> > > From: Dipankar Majumdar [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= om">[email protected]</a>]<br> > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:15 PM<br> > > To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> > > Subject: [aosd-discuss] How to define Scattering?<br> > ><br> > > Hi All,<br> > > I am working on Aspect Mining at Jadavpur University, India. It i= s well<br> > > known that 'Scattering' =A0is one of the principal charac= teristics of any<br> > > Aspect. Can you please let me know, what is the formal definition= of<br> > > Scattering? Or in other words what are the symptoms that we look = for,<br> > > in order to tell whether a particular 'block of code' is = scattered?<br> > ><br> > > Regards<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > Dipankar Majumdar<br> > > Dept. of Information Tech.<br> > > B.P. Poddar Instt of Mgmt & Tech.<br> > > Kolkata - 700052<br> > > India<br> > > ________________________________<br> > ><br> > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail<br> > > <<a href=3D"http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/a= ol/en-" target=3D"_blank">http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/= aol/en-</a><br> > > us/text.htm?ncid=3Daimcmp00050000000001> !<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > discuss mailing list =A0 =A0- =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= t">[email protected]</a><br> ><br> > To unsubscribe and change options, go to:<br> > <a href=3D"http://aosd.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss_aosd.net" target= =3D"_blank">http://aosd.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss_aosd.net</a><br> ><br> > Check out the AOSD.net Wiki: <a href=3D"http://aosd.net/wiki" target= =3D"_blank">http://aosd.net/wiki</a><br> ><br> <br> <br> --<br> Eduardo Figueiredo<br> PhD Student in Computing<br> Lancaster University<br> <a href=3D"http://www.lancs.ac.uk/postgrad/figueire/" target=3D"_blank">htt= p://www.lancs.ac.uk/postgrad/figueire/</a><br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> __________________________________________________<br> AOSD Discuss mailing list =A0 =A0- =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= t">[email protected]</a><br> To unsubscribe go to <a href=3D"http://aosd.net" target=3D"_blank">http://a= osd.net</a><br> <br> Check out the AOSD.net Wiki: <a href=3D"http://aosd.net/wiki" target=3D"_bl= ank">http://aosd.net/wiki</a><br> <br> <br> <br> End of discuss Digest, Vol 53, Issue 3<br> **************************************<br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>S Kotrappa<div>Associat= e Professor in CSE</div><div>B.E, M.S, M Tech(CSE),(Ph.D)</div><div>Princip= al, KLE's BCA/MCA, RLS Institute , Belgaum, India</div><div>Phone No.08= 31-2403774/75</div> </div></div> --20cf307ca35ee8f4a404de73ab24-- --===============6318599333021318528== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe and change options, go to: http://aosd.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss_aosd.net Check out the AOSD.net Wiki: http://aosd.net/wiki --===============6318599333021318528==--