RE: Re: Sticking point

Around here working harder is measured contract acceleration (positive
schedule and cost), the number of tons of wasted shipped ahead of plan,
positive earned value on a quarterly basis for all deliverables. At Ball
our neighbor, working harder is measured by on time on budget delivery
of satellites, at Level 3 working harder is measures by customers per
employee per revenue dollar per cost dollar.

When Kay asked about XC versus XP, on XP executives, managers, "persons
tasked with delivering business value to the stock are seen as
undesirable roles, getting in the way of programmers activities, even to
the point of "we don't need no stinking CIO's."

Here I would hope the managers and execs are seen as the fuel that
drives the software and IT business, now deploying Agile from their POV,
from the top-down (even middle down) not from the bottom up. BTW both
Tope Down and Bottom Up are needed in a strategy focused org, but my POV
is not bottom up, but top down to the middle, let the bottom folks
(developers) do what they do best write code.

Glen B. Alleman 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dinwiddie, George [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:14 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [XC] Re: Sticking point
> 
> So "working harder" is measured by hours?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Glen B. Alleman <[email protected]>
> > [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:35 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [XC] Re: Sticking point
> >
> >
> > Execs don't work harder...Really??
> >
> > Nearly every programmer here is usually gone by 5:00 (we work 7:00
to
> > 4:30 or 3:30 on every other Friday). The CIO and the CFO are here
> > when I come at 6:30 and are here when I leave at 5:30. The president
> > works 7 days a week. I know the popular Dilbert carton is the execs
> > come at 10:00 have a nice lunch and leave at 2:00, not here or any
> > industrial place I've been...maybe in those dot com shops.
> >
> > Yes coders work extensive hours, but any VP worth her salt works
24-7
> > in a "real" company where compensation and earnings per share are
> > tied to the title.
> >
> > Nice try though.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Ron Jeffries wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Perhaps you didn't mean to imply that executives work harder,
> > smarter, or under
> > > more pressure than other people. I hope not, because there is no
> > evidence that
> > > it's true.
> > >
> > > Ron Jeffries
> > > www.XProgramming.com
> > > For me, XP ain't out there, it's in here. -- Bill Caputo
> >
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