what to measure -- Value or Expense, was Re: Responsibility
Andrey Khavryuchenko <[email protected]> 15 Dec 2002 16:49:13 +0200
| Newsgroups | gmane.comp.programming.extreme-customering |
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| Organization | KDS Software Group |
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Charlie, "CP" == Charlie Poole wrote: >> "CP" == Charlie Poole wrote: >> Well, why not use usual business planning process? When I have to >> justify financial investment, I project a cash flow and calculate NPV. >> That's what I may do for waterflow project. In Agile project I may >> apply options analysis. >> >> Yes, it's still speculations, but, at least, it's put into objective >> measure. And one may check to what extent they became true.... CP> It's hard - as I assume you know - to assign cash flow to certain CP> things. This is particularly true in IT, where it's all internal. Sure, I know that. Nevertheless, I have strong feelings (no facts now) that it's closely tied to particular organization style widespread in world. My wild guess is, after organizational adoption of Agile and Lean principles, it would be much easier to estimate such ephemerial things. No facts still.. Gonna to spend couple years in business development to produce, analyze and publish such things... CP> For example, I worked on a system many years ago that improved CP> the ability of staff to retrieve customer information. There was CP> no projection of cost savings, because we were investing money to CP> provide new - or better - service to customers than before. Aha.. New or improved service... Could manager you mentioned later, estimate how much cash flow and when it would generate? Even informally.. [...] CP> Btw, I expect most top executives would understand and smile at CP> your characterization of the measure as Expense rather than CP> Value... even those who are doing it. >> >> Why? CP> I'm not sure I understand what the Why applies to, but I'll try CP> to answer. CP> What I was suggesting is that you should not believe that people CP> who measure expense instead of final value are simply stupid. They CP> may wish for a better measure of value, but they only have what CP> they have. CP> Smiling is all they believe they can do at that moment. It's black CP> humor of course... Ah, _that_ way :) Got it. -- Andrey V Khavryuchenko http://www.kds.com.ua/ Silver Bullet Software Solutions http://www.kds.com.ua/edu/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get 128 Bit SSL Encryption! http://us.click.yahoo.com/CBxunD/vN2EAA/xGHJAA/NhFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremecustomering-unsubscribe-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/