RE: Re: Sticking point

"Alleman, Glen B." <[email protected]> Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:28:07 -0700
Newsgroups gmane.comp.programming.extreme-customering
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Stefan,

If "work" is tied to "value production," then maybe we can separate he
concept of working harder produces more value. The "trick" is to define
the value upfront, then executing the planned effort against the value
delivery can be used to measure the amount of value returned for the
hours invested.

Otherwise work becomes a Level of Effort process, so the longer I work
the more "value" appears to be produced - which is not the case in most
software orgs.

Glen B. Alleman 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: STEURS Stefan [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:51 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [XC] Re: Sticking point
> 
> Now that is an excellent answer.
> 
> I violently appose to managers measuring "hours worked" if they don't
have
> any means to measure what has been produced (quality above quantity if
> possible).
> 
> I rather have someone that doesn't work as hard but delivers better
> quality
> results.
> 
> Regards, Stefan Steurs.
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrey Khavryuchenko [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:58 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [XC] Re: Sticking point
> >
> >
> > Dale,
> >
> > "DE" == Dale Emery wrote:
> >
> >  >> So "working harder" is measured by hours?
> >
> >  DE> It's certainly one important factor.  What others do you
> > see?  If two
> >  DE> people were working the same hours, what would lead you
> > to claim that
> >  DE> one is working harder than the other?
> >
> > The results.
> >
> > --
> > Andrey V Khavryuchenko            http://www.kds.com.ua/
> > Silver Bullet Software Solutions  http://www.kds.com.ua/edu/
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