RE: Summing up and moving on (I hope)
"Alan Shalloway" <alshall-F2W/AIYyHykAxtNtZnumnAC/[email protected]> Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:01:28 -0800
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Just a couple of quick notes. Pairings change continuously, so as long as there is any overlap, you can have flexible hours. Also, not _everything_ is done as pairs, there is still some individual work (production code is paired) so it is possible to be in the office yourself and still get work done. Alan Shalloway, Sr. Consultant, CEO office: 425-313-3065. mobile: 425-531-0810 Net Objectives' vision is effective software development without suffering. Our mission is to assist software development teams in accomplishing this through a combination of training and mentoring. -----Original Message----- From: STEURS Stefan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:47 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [XC] Summing up and moving on (I hope) Hi, One question I have in relation to Pair Programming (perhaps I misunderstand how to organise it). In our organisation there is a lot of flexibility for working hours. Some people start at 7h00 am, some at 11h00 am, some finish around 15h30, some work till 20h30. Are their hard constraints in pair programming that pairs always have to work the same working hours? How does one arrange that if there is no "core time". The reason why we don't have hard requirements in "core time" is mainly the traffic situation but also because of different social situations of families. People have to take kids to school and with the traffic situation are unable to start before 9h30 am. I'm very much interested in pair programming and proposing it for a project but I don't see how to make it fit if the requirements to be a pair are "hard". Any ideas on this? How do you sell pair programming if you don't want to touch the flexible arrangements that people have to start/end the working day as they see fit (as long as they can account for the nr of hours per week they have to work). Additionally we also have schemes with reduced working hours. Some people work 80%, 90% or have alternatively long and short weeks. Regards, Stefan Steurs. P.S.: I also have some question about evolutionary design vis-a-vis requirements to keep archives and legal obligations on being able to probe past data? Perhaps for another thread. It relates to "do you have backward compatibility problems when you have evolutionary design and how do you address them"? > -----Original Message----- > From: Arien Malec [mailto:arien_malec-/[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [XC] Summing up and moving on (I hope) > Ron -- > > Can you say more here? When I look at the XP pratices, the > ones that strike me > as "extreme" (and most tend to set people off) are: > > 1) Evolutionary design (Simple Design + Refactoring + no > design lookahead) > 2) Pair programming > 3) Collective Ownership ____ This message and any files transmitted with it are legally privileged and intended for the sole use of the individual(s) or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Any unauthorised use or disclosure of the content of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Nothing in this e-mail message amounts to a contractual or legal commitment on the part of EUROCONTROL unless it is confirmed by appropriately signed hard copy. Any views expressed in this message are those of the sender. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremecustomering-unsubscribe-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get 128 Bit SSL Encryption! http://us.click.yahoo.com/CBxunD/vN2EAA/xGHJAA/NhFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremecustomering-unsubscribe-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/