RE: agile & extreme

So said  Charlie Poole  on  2003-01-03 --------------------

>JB,
>
>> >> Basically my aim is: is there any principled retreat from full-on 
>> >> extreme that
>> >> increases the chances of adoption, and still delivers a good 
>> >> chunk of the value
>> >> (and would tend to lead to more extremity)?
>> >
>> >Nicely put. 
>> >
>> >I think you've outlined what to me is the _only_ aspect of this
>> >agile versus extreme discussion that is actually useful to us in 
>> >terms of fostering xp Adoption.
>> >
>> >I suggest we fast forward past any advocacy type discussions.
>> 
>> One possibility: be as extreme as possible in one small part of 
>> the organization. Be successful. If people don't ask questions, 
>> then you likely won't get anywhere with anything you try.
>
>This makes sense in the context: "I work in an organization and I'd
>like to spread use of XP in that organization" but it doesn't 
>work for all of us. It's still a great approach, but the reason
>some of us are looking for a less-extreme way to phase things
>in is that we're trying to hook clients on XP, not employers.

Well, I certainly don't have the same level of experience hooking clients on XP, compared to employers, since I have worked much more as an employee than as a direct service provider.

Still, assuming that your client is just part of a larger organization, then the only difference is that you don't work for your client yet. Once you do, the likelihood is that the situation will be quite similar, leading to the possibility of expanding your market to more parts of that larger organization.

>> Has anyone demonstrated success using XP in some corner of their 
>> organization, not had people ask questions but still feel that 
>> the greater organization would be receptive to change?
>
>Not sure just what you mean here.

My hypothesis is this:

If you are successful and people see your success, but aren't interested in how you did it, then those people are generally not receptive to change.

My question is, does anyone have experience to the opposite?


J. B. Rainsberger,
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