RE: Managing Extreme Programming

Chris,

Yes this is a common problem and one I experienced here in Denver with
the desk top publishing firm.

The challenge for the civil engineering firm is that equivalent work is
getting done and more importantly the same processes are being used by
competitors, so the playing field has been wrapped around the globe.

The problems with QE has a lot to do with market definition as well as
the software development, but that is much broader then just XP
adoption....

Glen B. Alleman

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hanson [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:17 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [xpAdoption] Managing Extreme Programming
> 
> At 1:24 PM -0700 1/16/03, Alleman, Glen B. wrote:
> >[>] our parent firm has a very large design center in India (civil
and
> >construction engineering) and the motivation is hourly wages for
> >equivalent work - not the disrespect.
> 
> My point was that people who are not qualified to judge whether the
> work is actually equivalent are just assuming it is and making
> decisions based solely on up-front cost.
> 
> If you're actually getting equivalent work for a lower price you're
> very, very lucky.  All too often I see people who work for
> third-world consultancies asking very basic and confused questions in
> newsgroups and on mailing lists relating to the technologies their
> firms claim all sorts of high-quality expertise in.  (And it's not a
> problem with their English skills, either -- those are generally
> perfectly fine.)
> 
> >Our local poster child for
> >outsourcing is Quark with 80% of the code written in India. So if you
> >use Quark Express as a tool your experiencing the $10/hour developers
> >(more cost than that I think).
> 
> Funny you should mention Quark.  I know Quark, I know people who have
> worked there and I developed several plug-ins for QuarkXPress a few
> years back.  QuarkXPress has historically been a little buggy and
> obtuse, even though they had a whole lot of top-notch developers
> working on it in Denver.  Then one day they decided to lay off their
> American developers and ship all the development to the third world
> (in this case, India) "to save money."
> 
>  From what I hear the latest release, QuarkXPress 5, is a net decrease
> in quality and doesn't have the features Quark's customers were
> looking for.  QuarkXPress 6 is a huge revision -- necessary to get it
> to run natively on Mac OS X -- and it doesn't show any signs of
> shipping soon.  I'm also on a lot of technical mailing lists and
> newsgroups where Quark's new developers have been asking technical
> questions.  They are *nowhere near* the caliber of Quark's old
> developers, at least judging from the quality of their questions.  So
> no, they're not paying less for equivalent work.
> 
> I see this pattern time and again, and the driver appears to be that
> people who are not qualified to judge equivalence are just assuming
> it rather than trying to become qualified.  To me, that's a sign of
> disrespect.
> 
>    -- Chris 


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