Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?
Alex Fürstenau <[email protected]> Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:14:05 +0100
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Good ones - provide the right amount of information for the participants, although you have to be careful with that. If the superior and/or the project manager is participating, their needs might be very specific and the stand up is probably not the right meeting for them. But if they attend just for reporting it’s an indicator for harmful ones - change over time with experiments (actually that’s true for every meeting) Harmful ones - A group of people (no common goal), not a team is doing the standup, so nobody pays attention to each other - Repeating stuff (I had one person repeating the same „task“ for about 2 months once) Actually the only harmful ones are those which are clearly showing there is something wrong (people don’t pay attention, people keep repeating stuff, …) AND it stays like this for weeks or months. So nobody takes ownership for the underlying problems. They stop being harmful when somebody gets so annoyed ,so that this person is taking action to resolve the problems. :-) Alex > Am 18.11.2019 um 09:43 schrieb Douglas Waugh <[email protected]>: > > Alex, > > I’d be interested in your opinion of what makes a very good stand up and what makes a harmful one. > > Would you be able to give us a few pointers? What is the main value you see the stand up providing? > > Douglas > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Alex Fürstenau <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:50 am > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"? > > I still believe they are valuable for „teams“ who don’t talk to each other for weeks, and as always I have seen some very good implementations over the years. > > Of cause there are also a lot of harmful implementations but I think the value of the good ones outweigh the value of the bad ones. > > >> Am 13.11.2019 um 23:53 schrieb John Carter via Groups.Io <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: >> >> It's one of those things that seem to have gone horribly horribly wrong out in the wild..... >> >> Way back when, when I still believed standups to be a Good Idea, people came together, and didn't bother to sit because it was going to be so short. >> >> They said, mostly by pointing at/moving the sticky on the board what they were working on, and if they were stuck, asked for help. (Which wasn't given in the standup) >> >> Done. >> >> Back to work. >> >> 2 minutes max, all done. >> >> Sigh! >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 6:53 AM George Paci <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> All, >> >> Glad to see this group getting saved from oblivion: thanks, Joe! >> >> An interesting question came up at work today: where did the term >> "standup" originate? >> >> I've found a reference from Jeff Sutherland explaining the origins of >> the meeting (and the practice of standing up), but he doesn't explicitly >> claim to have invented the name: >> >> https://www.scruminc.com/origins-daily-standup/ <https://www.scruminc.com/origins-daily-standup/> >> >> I see it mentioned on Don Wells's XP site with a 1999 copyright, but I'm >> not sure that's an accurate date: >> >> http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/standupmeeting.html <http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/standupmeeting.html> >> >> (and he keeps them as two words: "Stand Up"). >> >> I figure Laurent would know this off the top of his head.... :-) >> >> —George Paci >> >> Doing Agile since (a month) before it was called Agile >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> John Carter >> Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 >> Tait Electronics >> PO Box 1645 Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> >> This Communication is Confidential. We only send and receive email on the >> basis of the terms set out at www.taitradio.com/email_disclaimer <http://www.taitradio.com/email_disclaimer> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160196): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/message/160196 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/56090734/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-