Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?

Standups are often a great first indicator of dysfunction to someone 
(like me) coming in from the outside--standups like the ones Tim 
describes are usually the result of non-collaborative work. Yes, when 
others are speaking, I imagine many are thinking "what will I say when 
it's my turn" more than listening.

With WIP = 1 and pairing, they are engaging and useful meetings--as Tim 
says, to plan the day's attack, or better, be clear on what we will 
deliver today.

With WIP = 1 and mobbing, they're not really much of a meeting as much 
as a lead-in to today's work. Good morning, nice to see you, let's go!

Jeff


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Tim Ottinger via Groups.Io wrote on 11/18/19 10:52 AM:
> Status meetings can be done via tools.
>
> I don’t need to hear “i worked on 4534 after finishing 4640 yesterday. 
> Today I’ll be working on 4534 some more. No blockers”
>
> I certainly don’t want to talk about all the cards on the wall.
>
> I want to plan the day’s attack and hear what we can do to be most 
> useful to each other and the goal of the project. I don’t want a 
> ticket status report.  Like everyone else at the meeting, I’ll be 
> trying to look interested while waiting my turn to speak, then trying 
> to look interested until I can go back to work.
>
> How much do I really care about the 80% status on ticket 7763? I don’t 
> know what any of these numbers mean anyway. And if I’m not going to 
> work on it today why is it my problem?
>
> Unloading a lot of baggage, I know, but status meetings as I see them 
> at so many corporations are precisely that.
>
> “Cindy?”
> “Worked on 3345 yesterday. Working on it still. No blockers.”
> “What percent done?”
> “Maybe 75.”
> “Okay, Bob?”
> “I worked on 4356 yesterday. I’ll probably finish it today. No blockers”
> “Okay, Ish?”
> “Still working on 7721. No blockers. Maybe 80% done.”
> “Okay, Priti?”
>
> Yaaaaaaaawn.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2019, 11:45 AM, Ron Jeffries 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     why?
>
>     sent from iPad, probably via Mars. Errors, if any, are not mine.
>     [email protected] is a better address for me, maybe.
>
>>     On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Tim Ottinger via Groups.Io
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     /Ew./
>>     /Yuck. /
>>     /Count me out, please/
>
> 


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