Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?

Well said, Ron.

And rather than talk pro or con practices in a context-free 
conversation, I like to look at what's going on, and what's NOT going 
on. As Yogi Berra said, "You can see a lot just by observing."

  - George

On 11/23/19 4:41 PM, Ron Jeffries wrote:
> Thanks, Steve,
> 
> A thing that I think I'm observing more and more frequently, among the 
> coaches I hear from, is a focus on a few practices that are sufficient 
> in some particular near-perfect situation, perhaps the one they've 
> helped to create wherever they are.
> 
> There are many different relationships with "the business", the "product 
> owner", the "customer". There are many different levels of sharing of 
> code, and of concerns. There are teams who are just beginning, teams who 
> really have it in hand, and teams who used to have it in hand and are 
> now a bit stale.
> 
> There are many forces that act upon us and among us as we work together 
> to get things done.
> 
> Practices, such as pairing, mobbing, TDDing, micro-mini-macro-testing, 
> stand ups, sprints, kanban boards ... it goes on and on ... practices 
> are devised, not just to solve some particular problem, but to make a 
> space for good things to happen. In addition, they are devised to be 
> used by teams who do not have the luxury of having one of these 
> excellent coaches with them.
> 
> The excellent coach, like some Aikido master, might just hold his hand 
> just so and things get better. Us normal people, in the same situation, 
> are more likely to trip over each other and fall down. Practices, like 
> the stand up, create a space, with a certain ambiance, within which good 
> things have a chance to happen. Teams are encouraged to /adjust/ how 
> they do that practice, before just dropping it, and the point of those 
> adjustments is to move around in the space to give the good things a 
> better chance.
> 
> So I believe that Woody's mobbing group may not need stand ups. I also 
> believe that Woody does 15 kinds of magic that he's not even aware of, 
> as do the other people in the mob, and it's one of those tens of things, 
> or five of them in association, that's making the stand up unnecessary.
> 
> The upshot of this is that just as no decent coach would likely ever say 
> "THIS PRACTICE IS MANDATORY", it's probably not desirable to come out 
> too strongly against practices just because we no longer use them ourselves.
> 
> R
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Steve Gordon <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> The whole idea of a recommended practices like the "stand-up" is to 
>> give teams a healthy start on their Agile journey.  Once a team has 
>> achieved self-determination, then the team should be trusted to 
>> modify, jettison, and/or add practices as they discover what works and 
>> does not work for them in their context.  An XP team or Scrum team 
>> that is still going strictly by the book after 2 years is rarely a 
>> healthy Agile team.
> 
> 
> Ron Jeffries
> ronjeffries.com <http://ronjeffries.com>
> Apparently, this IS my circus, and, quite probably, these ARE my monkeys.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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